MattNo5ss

Awesome, great job! I still love the CPU cooler on the GPU. No TRUE Cu this time?

In Rev. 3 there was a check box to share your signature with teammates. I no longer see that option when creating a signature, is it not implemented in Rev. 4? Also, there used to be an option to show "Best OC" (and maybe other options?) which doesn't seem to be available anymore. However, it seems like the signatures that were created before Rev. 4 are still shared and use the features that are no longer available for newly created signatures. Am I just missing something? [attach]1129[/attach]

Even if the majority of the HWBot community thought an account was a "double account to generate extra points" but that account wasn't a double account, then the "perceivers" should just have to deal with it because they are wrong... I don't know you or Dejo personally, so I don't know who's telling the truth about who wasn't responding to PMs in a timely manner. How many points an account has shouldn't make a difference, 0.1 or 1000 pts. If there are both 0.1 and 1000 point possible "double accounts", then both should be looked into and taken care of in the same way. It's about consistency in the actions taken. Like I said in my previous post, 300 points is nothing when using extreme cooling and can be had with a good CPU and some old "boint mine" GPUs. Again, what hardware used and how many points an account has shouldn't make a difference. All questionable accounts should be looked at equally, and if they aren't, then the staff isn't doing their job correctly. Obviously, the daughter doesn't buy her own hardware, dejo buys it for her. Of course, he's going to get the best he can afford so she can get the best scores as possible. Just because an account looks weird doesn't mean it's not legitimate. Every weird looking account needs to be looked into thoroughly so proof of its legitimacy or illegitimacy can be found. Then, action can be taken. It's easy to disallow an obviously "weird" account, but that doesn't mean it's what should be done and other not-as-obvious weird accounts should be ignored. I agree the screens look very similar in the window placement. I don't like throwing "what-if's" out there, but what if dejo gave his daughter a sample screenie of his to use as a template when doing her benches? Even if dejo is taking the screenies himself, does that alone constitute him doing the benching? Does pressing the "run benchmark" button in 3DMark constitute doing the benching? Or, does raising the bclk from 133 to 207 constitute doing the benching? To get full proof of everything, the entire benching session would have to be filmed, so the above, and more, can be seen by everyone. This would have to be implemented for every account to ensure the legality of results, but of course, filming every single session to get every result on film in its entirety wouldn't be the best way to go about it. That's why HWBot uses screenshots for the scores, the rest is just based on trust. My point is that every little detail cannot be proven and trust needs to come into play at some point.

The "very simple, logic reason" why both accounts should be able to generate points (if both parties want to) is b/c neither party broke any HWBot rules with their submissions. What would be the difference in Dejo + his 12yr old daughter -vs- me + my 22yr old brother -vs- 2 unrelated people living together -vs- 2 related people not living together? As long as the rules are followed, all submissions should be allowed for points if those people chose to submit for points. There cannot be a rule put in place that limits accounts per household or accounts per family, because that would prevent the growth of overclocking as a competitive sport. Which I believe is the point of HWBot in the first place. It's easiest to get people you are close to or even live with involved in something you like to do since they see you doing it all the time. Once those people get involved, they try to get people they are close to invovled, etc. That's how growth happens. Of course, growth can be had through forums' bench teams, but why limit the growth to the internet when the most fun benching happens when people do it together, in person? As mentioned before, the actual points lost aren't the major concern here, I mean it's only 300 which can be had with some cheap 8800 GPUs. The problem is that 2 people who aren't trying to hide anything, being open about what's going on, and submitting legal scores are being told to only submit for points with one account so it doesn't seem like cheating (even though they're not cheating). One party is having the option to submit for points taken away for doing everything openly and legally. So, it's having that option taken away that is bothersome, not having the points taken away. If they chose to not submit for points just b/c of what other people may think, then that's their decision. But, they should still have the option to submit for points if they so chose since they are doing nothing wrong.

Nice job poparamiro! Good thing you saw my thread over at OCForums huh? Glad this worked on your GTX580 as well.

Thanks for the response. Something like that is exactly what I was thinking would happen anyways. Once the sub-zero guys get all the team's points, then the ambient guys would split off and make a "OC Forums Ambient" benching team. The mother and sub teams idea is interesting, especially if the points from each sub team contribute to the mother team's point total. So, would there just be 2 divisions, sub-zero and ambient? Or, a division for each type of cooling, LN2, Dice, Phase, H2O, Air, etc.? Sorry I didn't respond earlier in the thread, but ~10 pages of mostly **** puts a distance between posts pretty quickly...

Did you forget to reply to my comment? You replied to Sam's and rick's. I'd like know if you see my point of view.

This would severely stunt team growth, as stated many times before. Once a guy with sub-zero cooling gets his hands on all the hardware, then his points = the team points. So, anyone else is required to have sub-zero cooling to contribute to the team. This means hardly anyone new will ever join a team, and all the ambient cooling guys might as well just leave the team and start their own since they can't contribute anymore. I understand your quote: "There would be a paradox IF we'd start to reward people for not achieving the best result." For example, it's like every kid in little-league getting a trophy just for playing; it doesn't mean you're the best, but it acknowledges and rewards your effort. Some people work hard for those little "trophies" and it keeps them playing little-league or overclocking for their team. If you have to reward the scores that aren't the best even if it's just to keep teams together, then that's the best course of action, in my opinion. I still don't see how the small time overclockers will be happy. I want to see it, I really do. It must be going over my head or something. Could you explain?

You forgot to enter your time...lol

edited the RAM amount

I entered the wrong RAM amount...supposed to be 4096MB