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  1. 9 points
    Hello my friends from Hwbot! First all, sorry my broken english, but since it’s not my mother language, I will do my best to be clear. Some people already know me, I have a lot of time on Hwbot and I have been very active in the rankings in the past. However, I am sad to noticed that an activity that we are passionate about seems to be being abandoned. Really for me, it is not very important the ranking, but for many people, especially for newcomers, Hwbot, the Worldwide League is the place for reference. I don’t like to see Hwbot only as a “overclocking database”, as Ripping Org in the past, but a place where overclockers change experiences, friendship, teach each other and pursuit the hardware limits. So I would like to share my personal feeling, which I know are not unanimous, but with all due respect to those who think differently, I would like to share. I believe that Hwbot should update itself, with some new stuff in order to bring more interest to the giant overclocking community around the world. The news is not updated, just go to the first page and we will see the site with old news. We could have really cool things to attract people. - Overclocking tutorials performed by overclockers from around the world, on different platforms, that the overclockers themselves share. - To attract great gamer community, news about the performance improvement in enthusiastic systems, demonstrating the improvement of gaming experience. - Tests of overclocking enthusiast under Water Coolers, Hydro Coolers, Aircoolers, showing how good system can perform. - Updates of fantastic results made by overclockers (Last Big Records) - Overclocking in games (see the huge noise that overclockers made around the world just when playing Doom Eternal under extreme overclocking). This is just a few example, but I have also a good recommendation. If we have a “Gaming Overclocking League”, we can add some Gaming Benchmarks and will do a big noise. We have many games with own benchmark, as example of Metro, that’s very nice (people go crazy when we push extreme overclocking to the games). This is one of the many examples we made overclocking in games 5 years ago: This is only my suggestion, since we have a very good experience in Brazil (maybe one of the biggest gaming and overclocking communities in Brazil). If I can also give my opinion about the benchmarks, we also need to keep the “Old School” benchmarks that I love. Spi, 3dMark 01, 3dMark03, Pifast, etc, are very nice benchmarks and I love it. But we have to update, and for example, give more power to popular and actual benchmarks (Port Royal, Superposition, CB R20, etc.) and sure, find a way to add some gaming benchmarks. I think will be very good for the community. That’s only a personal opinion, and not intend to cause any kind of conflict in the community. Best wishes.
  2. 5 points
    I also thought OC is out of interest for most young folks in my country until I recently joined local HW channel in Telegram - people do overclocking with their setups, test 'em in games and discuss interesting modding projects. The thing is HWBOT is not interesting for them. Interest in OC doesn't mean participation in hwbot. Casual overclocking/benchmarking is alive, hwbot should just find the way to invlove these people into community.
  3. 5 points
    Thanks all. I appreciate the feedback. All my best runs are in the winter. In the middle of the night. Drunk. Cold. Lonely.
  4. 5 points
    I did some experimenting with single rank v. dual rank memory in Time Spy and thought I would share my results here. Setup: 10900k at 5.3 core/4.7 ring XII Apex Single rank kit- Team Group 8-pack 4500cl18 xtreems Dual rank kit- G. Skill Trident Z 32gb 3200 cl14 Testing methodology: I used Time Spy cpu run only to compare results, and used the cpu score to measure gain in performance for each timing. I used maxmem to reduce the 16gb down to 5gb, and from 32gb to 10.4gb. For memory timings I used flat primaries with tRAS=tCL+rRCD(RD)+2, tWL= CL-2, tRDRD_dg and tWRWR_dg at 4, maximus tweak mode 2, and used 1t for all of the single rank timings, but for dual rank 1t only worked on the first test, and 2t was used at the rest of the timings. Everything else on the memory was kept at auto, I have attached Asrock Timing Configurator screenshots so you can see the other timings that were trained for each freq. Here are some screenshots from both single and dual rank kits showing the auto timings that were trained: https://imgur.com/a/hYNo2qC I used only as much voltage as necessary to complete a run and did not play with increasing voltage for additional stability or to see how it impacted a score. For this testing I only used a limited range of frequencies based on the limitations of the kits themselves, would be interesting to see if it keeps scaling linearly. With these limitations lets take a look at the numbers: 16gb Single Rank Speed/cl Result 1 Result 2 Result 3 Avg result Jedec 12164 12033 12363 12186.67 4000cl15 13408 13481 13198 13362.33 4100cl15 13555 13583 13519 13552.33 4133cl15 13596 13557 13516 13556.33 4200cl15 13853 13768 13810.50 4266cl15 13747 13789 13763 13766.33 4300cl15 13923 13926 13896 13915.00 32gb dual rank Speed/cl Result 1 Result 2 Result 3 Avg result Jedec 12873 12798 12855 12842.00 4000cl15 15852 15776 15796 15808.00 4100cl15 15880 15796 15845 15840.33 4133cl15 15958 15912 15859 15909.67 4200cl15 15856 15905 15954 15905.00 4266cl15 16001 15976 16004 15993.67 How much faster is Dual Rank? Speed/cl Jedec 655.33 4000cl15 2445.67 4100cl15 2288.00 4133cl15 2353.33 4200cl15 2094.50 4233cl15 2227.33 4300cl15 NA As you can see dual rank is slightly faster at jedec speeds (I didnt look at jedec timings to make sure they were the same, but how close those scores are seems to indicate they are the same), but it surprised me at just how much faster the dual rank kits are once they get up to 4000cl15. Some of this may be obvious to the more experience benchers, and looking at the world records they use a large amount of memory, but I thought it was interesting to have actual numbers to see just how much better the dual rank is. I would love to see someone with a quad or higher channel setup and see how their numbers scale with these.
  5. 4 points
    Hi mate. I was surprise that the chip have no Coldslow or coldbug, so we can run Full Pot. For other side, that's easy to brake the Power Limit, and also to do voltmods to push the card (take care, because it's 2 s rails for GPU PWM and one for Vram, same PWM), so you need to change voltages separately for the two rails. The problem is that the card has only 16 phases, just 2 for the meemory and it's not an overclocking card, but a gaming card. Also we noticed a a big ripple (added capacitors to help) and limited chip (chip didn't like voltage, even under full pot). Maybe do something more radical to go further and also LLC mod (voltage drops a lot under load). But it's a quite impressive and funny bench session. Best wishes
  6. 4 points
    For pensioners like me who don't visit the site daily, it could be nice to have a dropdown option to show the top scores not only from the last 24 hrs, but also from the last 7 / 30 / 365 days. Should be easy implement unless site was coded by a complete retard.
  7. 4 points
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  9. 4 points
    Not many people will care now, but this card was released with a vCore of ~1.55v and a fairly simple aluminium cooler. No prizes for guessing how that combination worked! Here's a VID mod to reduce the vCore for day-to-day use.
  10. 4 points
    Final bag. End of an era. Come back and say hi once in a while.
  11. 3 points
    Hi guys. Thought to make a guide for the new Maximus XII Apex to help some people have a base to work on. Disclaimers: Anything that is mentioned in this guide is meant to help you have a starting point. I am not responsible for any damages you do to your hardware by overclocking, modding, (extreme) cooling it or whatever else. You are responsible for your own actions assuming you know what you are doing. The “Come on I wanna bench my new hardware” tl;dr guide: Step 1: LN2 jumper -> enable Step 2: Cool down, apply your settings (4095W, LLC 6 - 8 depending on the benchmark, 200% etc) and enable RSVD1 Step 3: Auto pll term should be 1.7 and usually works but can increase it if you see cb/cbb (1.8 might give booting issues so you might want to set it after boot) SA and IO around 1.4v Step 4: cool down to full pot (figure cb/cbb), go to OS and apply clocks and voltages If you need to run superpi32m or anything that is affected by uCode then you got to spend time and read below.. OC Pack: !!!Gdrive folder that includes everything since dropbox links seem to have issues!!!: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DjnhLFpKA_-aORnt1gKOyD7w5SXGA7gj?usp=sharing ----------------------------------- 0508 Bios (uCode and no uCode included ready to go): https://www.dropbox.com/s/lp9giyr6fct2ni6/m12a0508.rar?dl=0 0069 Bios (uCode and no uCode included and ready to go) - mini improvements and fixes: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ufntk2d4yxf88ii/ROG-MAXIMUS-XII-APEX-ASUS-0069.zip?dl=0 0062 bios - another beta bios which according to ASUS it improves dram tuning - to confirm if 2v+ needs ln2 jumper or not. No ucode version included as well: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bv0qqclcwrmmnt1/ROG-MAXIMUS-XII-APEX-ASUS-0062.zip?dl=0 0055 bios allows for 2+V without the need for ln2 mode + noucode version: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7pc91xn7ksxkucc/ROG-MAXIMUS-XII-APEX-ASUS-0055.zip?dl=0 VRM tool - run exe on boot. New tool that might help push a bit more on the cpu side / run same freq with a bit less volts (15~mv less): https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkoydak1vm0zgpb/vrm2.zip?dl=0 TurboV: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wzyzlf9cjneul9p/TurboV_Core_1.10.07.zip?dl=0 Mem TweakIt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7azeckt1f2s4yt/Mem TweakIt-V2.02.46.7z?dl=0 Ratio Tool (thanks to @elmor for the tool -> use ratio_tool_cml.exe for ratios -> patch_cml_ifnoucode.exe if using a bios without ucode to get it patched/fixed) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/7kf6wqwtyu3erqj/Tool.zip?dl=0 Ratio Tool with Vcore: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1en7v8q11i14yx0/Ratio_Hotkey_with_V.zip?dl=0 Z490 AHCI Drivers for XP: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh306qzlgg6z6gg/xp ahci drivers test.zip?dl=0 USB drivers for Win7: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dco21mn01fez26c/z490_usb.zip?dl=0 Backup USB drivers for XP: https://mega.nz/file/KBIzxSAB#nZYWTcAC0v3wThuq0lFKUKarnv7Nh73655zFE2mJ7to BIOS Flashback (USB port below Ethernet): Some insight: Main differences based on previous cpus/gens is that we got extra cores, better IMC and OC being a bit easier when it comes to CBB/CB (always depends on the CPU). Now, Intel to compensate the increased heat due to the extra cores, decreased the die height and replaced that with additional copper to keep the backwards compatibility on the cooler side. Here is a nice paint image someone at Intel made for our convenience: Left = last gen vs Right = new gen Believe this made a big difference on the temps as we got a 10C consuming 260W on water (R15 at 5.3G) and temps hitting 72~C. Our 180W oc’d 9900K would hit around that (leakage plays a big factor here as well - can't compare 1:1 but still). This eventually means that you can transfer the load from the cores (substrate) to the pot much more efficiently = MHz. Now, 2nd part of the changes is how easy it is to overclock these. Explanation of voltages and differences vs previous gens: Based on our previous “go-to settings” on Z390 (and prior) we would have to adjust vcore, core pll, dmi, sa, io, standby, pll term and internal pll. Instead, on Z490 all you got to play with is vcore, sa, io and pll term. Good to go voltages for our CPU was 1.6~ vcore, 1.4~ sa/io (similar depending imc and clocks) and 1.7-1.8v pll term. 1.7 (which is what LN2 jumper does) pll term was enough to kill any cb/cbb on our cpu. That was for both 2d and 3d. If you see you got an issue and 1.8v pll term isn’t enough (again - note that this might cause booting issues so you might want to use eventual voltage here), then you can give rsvd 1 switch a try and IO at 1.45+ as this is tied to the old known DMI. There is the option to mod the mobo and solder the DMI pin which is tied to RSVD 2 but thats still work in progress. Will check back on this but not sure its needed to be honest. VRMs are OP and could run x265 back to back with cpu fullpot and just a fan hitting them (no heatsink). Of course I can’t tell what happens if you do xyz so always be cautious !!!Note if you wanna go LN2 mode on water for 2+v on mems!!! Set pll term to 1.3~ as having it above 1.35 makes the sensor read high temps = over-temp messages etc. ME Patches and performance: Now that we touched the basics to voltages and differences vs previous generations, it's a good point to analyze another one and that's the ME patches Intel applied for the famous security holes. With new gen, we get new patches that are tied to the bios. These affect the performance on a lot of benchmarks (ie. spi32m) and for that we got to find a workaround. Thankfully ASUS has figured this out already. With MMTool you can load the .CAP bios and remove all the uCode patches. Simply select a patch at a time, select delete patch data and hit apply. Then save the new .cap file and flash it via bios flashback. !It is recommended that you flash the original bios first and then the modded one via flashback.! Personally, we keep Bios 2 for no uCode bios so we can easily switch between the two. Removing uCode raises a new issue which is memory oc as it gets heavily limited + a couple other minor things. Initial (training) bclock will have to be 100MHz. !In OS this is easy to adjust without issues! If you need to train higher than 100MHz for whatever reason you can do so with OC Panel when you see 4C on the debug post. Additionally, it will be good to set all ratios and main voltages to manual to avoid freezing issues. Consider setting internal core and ring pll’s to 0.9v in tweakers’ paradise and it is advised to avoid setting dllbwen as well. Now, when it comes to memory oc, all you have to do is enable Legacy OC on the bottom of the memory tab and set everything as you would before. First time it might act weird but hitting the retry will get it to work fine. One last note, run patch_cml_ifnoucode.exe on startup to get high multipliers to work (tool.zip). Per Core Hyperthreading: This is super easy to understand and one of the new features that come with this gen. You can enable/disable the HT of each core which makes it handy for some cases like 3DMark06, Vantage etc. Windows XP: Well, thats one of the best parts for this gen as it will be working day 1. Z490 compatible ISO (stock SP3 pretty much): https://drive.google.com/open?id=1od79PuR0O29mIwKNKqfCqbZAv0JCp_mJ Firahelp for installing XP via USB same as Z170 days (thanks @elmor): https://1drv.ms/u/s!Atmpv-6qHr_6vcIGjGDDdVQjURrIcA?e=JTDLyq Intel USB Drivers (thanks to whoever made these + @noizemaker for sharing/testing) work with XP and Win7 https://www.dropbox.com/s/dco21mn01fez26c/z490_usb.zip?dl=0 Backup USB for XP: https://mega.nz/file/KBIzxSAB#nZYWTcAC0v3wThuq0lFKUKarnv7Nh73655zFE2mJ7to Barbonenet’s acronis image that was posted here should also work fine without issues (thanks @antome for saving people’s time ) https://community.hwbot.org/topic/192682-windows-xp-on-asus-z390-motherboards-and-others/ If you get any errors, let me know as there is a small chance that you need to install the AHCI drivers of Z490 prior to moving from older mobo (ie Z390). Here you can find some suggestions for different scenarios. It's some kind of direction we suggest after testing different benchmarks/cases for maximum performance. These are mostly tied to memories and you are encouraged to test your own kit(s) for best optimization. For all these A2 memories are a must. You won’t be able to do any of these with A0/A1 kits. Also, while we generally try to help, we believe that not everything should be plug n play. So considering that the new gen has stronger IMC you should be having fun doing a bit of tweaking here and there instead of copy pasting settings that might not work and then seek additional assistance. Geekbench 3 suggested approach: Old profiles here should work much easier than before considering that the IMC on the new gen is quite stronger. For example, our go-to 9900K that could do 6.95 R15 couldn't boot above 4700C14 on air. Now, all chips we tested could boot above 4.8Ghz C14 without issues. Interesting suggestion would be to try and tighten tWL and tCWL (if your IMC and kit allows) as a Geek memory score of almost 10k (with all cores/ht enabled) should be doable at 4.8 GHz (instead of 9.6-9.7k). This might help in cases you cant push frequency higher with the standard settings, so this should give you a nice boost on top. PS. you can try 14-13 over 14-14 (small increase of like 20~ points at best) or 1t over 2t (tested but need to check to confirm) but not sure these will help you much To update with screenshots. Superpi32m suggested approach: We haven’t spent much time into this but a similar approach applies here - we were able to run Geek settings with 1T (even 14-13 on air) without issues and this has been faster than 4133 12-11-1t to begin with. Can try Dancop’s preset for now and we will add stuff on the way as we proceed with testing this throughout. To update with screenshots. X265 4K suggested approach: Was doing some testing for reliable performing settings on Z390 last year. For this, the best approach is no maxmem (or about 7-8GB as this gives a small boost on stability but I think it has a very small impact on the score as the memory usage peak drops about 100~MB vs no maxmem ) overkill + x2. Note that the X2 instances might not be the best and everything eventually depends on your findings/platform so don’t take this (or anything) for granted. Anyhow, no maxmem + bdie = need for low volts. This is another approach that has nothing to do with your kit doing 4933 with 2v or 2.1 or whatever. Some kits that can do almost 5G 14-14 geek at 2.09v cant pass that so keep that in mind. Easiest way to get going is to load a geek profile, ignore RTLs and CR as these have no impact on x265 and loose timings a bit (14-14-28-240 -> 16-16-28-280 etc). If this works at low volts (aka sub 1.7) you might avoid the maxmem need that high voltages cause and should be already way better than anything tight with 2-4gb maxmem. Additionally, please keep in mind that you want the two instances to be as in sync as possible as eventually you have an efficiency multiplier that affects your score (or not show one at all if out of sync for like 5sec) with the best being x1 (1:1 render). Also, might be wrong for some but Server2012 has been the best OS so far. To update with screenshots. Water/air user max out suggested approach: Since X265 is as close to daily settings as doable (compared to the rest), you can start from the above and adjust timings to decrease voltages to what you consider safe. Will provide a profile that works for us as a guideline if requested/needed.
  12. 3 points
  13. 3 points
    https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-84jL16IvRHRAoX-7Nr9bmDoJS9YPRaz?usp=sharing Included here is the 1.06 bios for the Z490 Dark Kingpin modified to have ucode removed, the tool used to get the CPU Multiplier working properly in OS, and the tool used to modify the bios. I used task scheduler to make it so that "patch cml if no-ucode" ran every time I logged in, so I wouldn't have to start it manually after every reset. https://hwbot.org/submission/4552203 https://hwbot.org/submission/4552842 Score difference is pretty significant. ELEET X1 is available on the EVGA forums and product pages. EDIT: I believe this bios will have issues with auto vcore, beware. Not much I can do to fix it.
  14. 3 points
    Bought this amazing cpu from @Alex@ro. Tested on a sub-optimal Asus Crosshair VII Hero on ambient water with a custom water loop, 4.6ghz++ ( CBR15 - Wprime1024 ), proved a rather easy task with 1.35V. FCLK 1900 Benched this cpu on same board under DICE and got 5.1ghz with FCLK 1800 and 1.50V only. Please check my submissions. I am asking for 500 Euros, which is quite less than I actually paid for. Shipping only to Europe, with either DHL or EMS, tracked and insured, in a box ( not envelope ).Cost 25 Euros. Payment - PayPal only. Friends and family or buyer pays the fees. Thank you.
  15. 3 points
    +1 to the above. The man got skills and has no need to cheat - Much respect here for him and what he can do. Great score!
  16. 3 points
    Well some sort of wrapper is required that runs the game benchmark at the appropriate settings and displays the score.
  17. 3 points
    Very helpful your comment. Now what ideas you propose to move forward with hwbot and grow it's user base ?
  18. 3 points
    If i can be of any help let me know Alby. Here is a list of some of the games that are free and includes a built in benchmark: ( I'm sure there is more , but so far this ones are the ones i found working , i hope this helps. ) 1. https://www.stardock.com/games/starcontrol/benchmark#title - free 2. https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/benchmark/ - free 3. https://tombraider.square-enix-games.com/en-us ( Benchmark available in trial version ) - free 4. https://www.techpowerup.com/download/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn-benchmark/ - free 5. https://www.guru3d.com/files_get/resident_evil_6_benchmark_download,1.html - free 6. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/killer-instinct/9nblggh1z149#activetab=pivot:overviewtab - free 7. https://store.steampowered.com/app/236390/War_Thunder/ - free
  19. 3 points
    Elmor recently started taking orders for the AMPLE 20A power card. It’s a simple little single-phase VRM that can be used to replace a broken VRM or simply overcome that pesky OCP/OVP. The most common potential usage would be for a GPU memory rail. However, with an output voltage from 1.0-3.4 V it could be used for many different applications. I obtained a test sample of this new device and I intend to put it to the ultimate test. I have an RX 580 GPU with a damaged memory voltage rail, but otherwise the GPU is in perfect condition. The plan is to solder on the AMPLE power card and observe the impact on the memory overclocking. I know what the card was capable of before the memory VRM died, so it’s the perfect test case for this little device. So follow along as I put this thing to the test and find out if it’s capable of delivering sufficient power to 8 GB of GDDR5. The AMPLE Device The device ships in an anti-static bag with the 6-pin connector added in as an accessory. This gives you the flexibility to power up the AMPLE from any qualifying voltage source you desire. Product Specification Output voltage adjustable 1.0-3.4 V using the on-board potentiometer (range can be increased by adding your own potentiometer) Nominal input voltage 12 V (functional from 4.5 V up to 16 V) Max output current 20 A (thermally limited). Active cooling may be required to achieve high output current. Efficiency at max output 91.5% (3.4 V, 20 A, 750 KHz) Switching frequency selectable between 300 KHz and 750 KHz OVP (+20%), OCP (24A) and OTP (Tj = 150*C) Output voltage can be monitored and adjusted using the EVC2 VMOD1-header Ships with a PCIE 6-pin power connector which can be soldered on by the user Source Credit: elmorlabs.com There is one switch on the device which acts as a mode selector. There are a total of 4 different combinations you can set, which change the output delivery settings. Switch 1 OFF = 750 KHz switching frequency Switch 1 ON = 300 KHz switching frequency Switch 2 OFF = PSM = Power Saving Mode, higher ripple but lower loss at low loads Switch 2 ON = CCM = Constant Conduction Mode. The PMIC is always regulating to the best of its ability, for the tightest possible voltage regulation. In some cases, for example with this project at 3.0V+, that will create a high loss in no-load or low-load situations. For controlling the voltage there are multiple different methods you can choose from. To make things simple, there is a potentiometer on the power card for direct control. For more advanced control, you have the ability to integrate the device with an EVC2 module using the vmod connection. Mounting the Power Card Before you just hastily solder on the AMPLE device, you should take the time to power it on and make sure it works. I would suggest powering it up and setting the desired voltage before you attempt to solder it on a GPU. The underside of the AMPLE has power and ground planes. In my particular case I won't need these connections so I decided to insulate them with a few layers of Kapton tape. This is an unnecessary step, but in my case there were a few components on the card which were extremely close to shorting on the AMPLE device. I chose to mount mine with 0.8 mm copper plate. I kept the plane-to-plane distance as short as possible. Furthermore, I always prefer to make my ground connections on the front of the card after where the main connection is. In the picture below you can see both ground connections come after the memory plan connection. In my testing this provides the best realized MHz whether it be core or memory external VRM replacement. Test Setup The overall goal is to compare stock PCB memory overclocking with AMPLE power memory overclocking. To make the test consistent, I will use the same load voltage for both test conditions. The test methodology is to overclock memory and record the passable frequency in Fire Strike GT1. I will start at 2280 MHz, increase +10 MHz until it becomes unstable PowerColor RX580 8GB Golden Sample Z490 test platform AMPLE VRM on memory rail Memory IC: Micron D9VVR 1625 MHz strap timings copied to 2000 MHz strap (Most efficient timings possible without diminishing returns on frequency) In order to get a realistic look at the voltage response of the device, I have placed voltage test points (TP1-3) at various distances away from the main inductor. During the load tests, I will also be conducting thermal tests of the mosfet heatsink. Ambient temperature for all tests around 24c The voltage read points are as follows: TP1 = AMPLE power voltage at C10 cap TP2 = GPU plane voltage at solder connection TP3 = Memory IC voltage at MLCC cap on back of card, at least 100mm distance from AMPLE Vout solder connection Test Results Voltage droop is the enemy of external VRM mods. It’s important to know exactly where the voltage droop occurs because it can narrow down the cause. The voltage test point results indicate that the droop is not caused by the solder connection. The voltage droop is present at the C10 capacitor so therefore it’s coming directly from the AMPLE VRM. This makes me happy because the solder connection is relatively perfect, but it’s mildly concerning to see the AMPLE being stressed under load. Regardless of any droop, the card was still able to pass FS GT1 test at the highest possible memory frequency. There is effectively no difference between the stock VRM and the AMPLE VRM for this test application. The temperature reached a peak at the end of GT2 and was still climbing. With the Fire Strike test, GT3 is CPU based so it had a cooldown period. The max temp of around 50c seems reasonable but further testing may be needed. Sustained loads of 1hr might show a different result. SW1 Test results proved inconclusive. Disregarding experimental error, there was effectively no difference in the realized MHz or voltage response. Conclusion Overall I am extremely pleased with this little device. It performed exceptionally well and the end result is that I was able to achieve the same overclocking performance as the stock PCB. The AMPLE single-phase power card has been validated for benchmarking purposes. In terms of the switch options, my expectation was that CCM mode with 750 KHz would be the optimal configuration. The switch test results showed that the various combinations didn't have any noticeable effect on realized Mhz or voltage response. The 10 mV voltage droop is a mild concern because it’s coming directly from the AMPLE, however, it did not affect the overall overclocking result. With a price tag of just $20,, it’s an absolute must-have tool for extreme overclockers. My RX580 is the perfect use case. The card was effectively dead and useless, but the mighty little AMPLE device brought it back to life and it still holds gold in TIme Spy. Even if the price was tripled, I would still recommend it because of its potential value. This was just my first test, stay tuned for more tests to come.
  20. 3 points
    Thanks Ronaldo for the input, but 90% of this is planned for the future. I'm feeling the exact same way as you and would hate to see it slip through... In brief: HWBot has been taking over by the kind people of Thermal Grizzly. However the final transaction is not yet completed, thus full access, to do any changes, at this moment is not happening. In the mean time I have to keep the boat afloat till this site becomes more user friendly to work in. Its just me, myself and I, besides Gregor and Anitomy who update the hardware database. So any news posters whatever are free to share , but the current frontpage is a nitemare to do any proper posting in. Highest on the priority list is to update the front page, easier to understand rules and remove the complex point algorythm. You can read more here:
  21. 3 points
    Hey Scott ! Hope everything is going well with you my friend ! Technically, I'm not exiting . I've been on the ice for many years without benching , without caring about benchmarks and new hardware ... and as a result not visiting hwbot and any other hardware sites . Right now, my plan is to keep only the old hardware which i really love. I can spend some hours on my beloved 386 or 486 , playing some old DOS games for example For start, i think i will sell almost everything i have that is made after 2006. That means i will keep my 939. It's the only PCIE platform that i'm thinking to keep. I'm still not touching my AGP platforms/hardware. Maybe after some more years i will sell some more ... but the P2-P3 era is the limit and i'd like to keep everything older than that.
  22. 2 points
    good price, wish you lived in usa I would take both
  23. 2 points
    Hello ! It's been a few years since i last benched... and honestly i don't know if i will ever come back. I moved twice during the last 3 years and i don't know what and where is every of my hardware. Anyway, I managed to find some stuff and decided to start selling. I have more things that i may sell in the future. I need to find them and catalogue them ... test them ... etc So , here is some things for start... 1) Gigabyte Z97 SOC FORCE LN2 - SOLD This board is totally unused. Never got out of the box ... with all accessories. I know it's a very rare item and there are both collectors and benchers looking for it. 2) EVGA Evbot - SOLD v Boxed ... CD & cables .... in amazing condition still wrapped 3) ATI 2900XT - Fully Boxed I have this one for nearly 10 years and never touched it. Price : 90 Euro 4) ATI 2900XT - Unboxed A second 2900XT ... no boxes/ accesories. Price : 50 Euro 5) Gainward 4870x2 Rampage 700 Edition GS GLH . It's a triple slot monster and one of the best binned cards - SOLD! https://www.computerbase.de/2008-12/test-gainward-rampage-700-gs-glh/ 6) Nvidia 7900GTX 512MB Price : 50 Euro 7) Ati Radeon X850XT - PCIE 256MB Price : 45 Euro 8 ) Nvidia 6800GT PCIE 256MB Price : 45 Euro If someone wants two or more parts, especially if one of the heavy boxed parts is in his list , i will make a bit better price for shipping. Thank you!
  24. 2 points
    Thank you, definitely one of my best subs so far and even this one can be impproved. No ln2, as i will be out of apprentice. Soon it will be double SS benching, Cpu/Vga - Cpu/Nbb - Cpu/Ram.
  25. 2 points
    Awesome suzuki, everything looks so well tuned in all of your runs, especially the memory! 👍👍
  26. 2 points
    I don’t think anyone suggested that i would’ve cheat :D. Thanks for the apreciations,now i feel bad that i didn’t try to push more. @Fasttrack Was win xp,posted over here with full usb support and wazza was done manually,as damn ocx spitweaker didn’t work for some reason.Need a cold night and 6.3 is possible.
  27. 2 points
    Great score my friend :) Especially that it was done on Win7, no waza and XP. Folks, if you are looking for cheaters, look elsewhere. Suzuki is more than a gentleman.
  28. 2 points
    I don't think people need to fight or challenge because opinions are different. Ny topic was posted exclusively because I feel that HWBOT, that's the overclocking house, need to find good ways to grow and keep the power of overclocking. I don't like to see abandoned page, and absolutely most of old school overclockers. Let's teach people, share nice OC things, introduce new benchs,.... ramake a little bit, AND SURE, keep also the beloved old stuff. I think we all can brainstorm and find nice solutions for all. That's just my opinion. P. S. GTAV benchmark is very nice, but score is impossible to analyze to ranking. But Metro have a very good bench. Tomb Raider... The Division... Who knows, a separate gaming league. For sure will help the interest for many people and we con fo it separately to not affect official benchmarks (if the administrators agree). Best wishes
  29. 2 points
    3x2GB G.Skill PerfectStorm 2133C9 based on Elpida BBSE. 100% working condition, all tested in memtest at stock settings. In terms of overclocking I made only quick tests, they were worse than my high binned PSC kits, which I bought lately, no nothing special. I'm selling them as a collectible item at this moment Guarantee not DOA. Looking for 70 euro + shipping, I can ship worldwide, but I have to check if it's possible first.
  30. 2 points
    1% is still too much. Do you? I'm quite sure you won't catch me if I start cheating. I'm nowhere close to be hardcore gamer yet I was playing Asphalt8 for a couple of years - rankings in one of the most popular games were full of cheaters. Even online events had lots of those. I think that most AAA titles with online functionality (so that they offer human vs human competition) also implement quite serious protection against cheating - auto aim, trainers etc and still they have a lot of such issues. And those protections also make things more complex for usual gamers, so why hwbot shouldn't implement the same protection for its 15y heritage?
  31. 2 points
    I still think Overclocking brings a lot of interest, at all levels, from overclocking to improve the game experience or to sports overclocking and extreme. As example we made a Live Stream tthis week, without any ads, opening the extreme overclock suddenly, and reached more than 20K views and less than 1% rejection. http://prntscr.com/ufs52u We need to have overclocking teaching how to overclock, tutorials from many of them, sorted. How are tweaks, how should we run Time Spy, GPUPi, Hwbot X265, Superposition, etc? How to configure the BIOS of the platforms? How to tighten the memory latencies and increase their frequencies? How to insulate the equipment? Show that overclocking can be fun on eccentric platforms, freezing a simple radiator with normal ice, using dry ice, changing a heatsink and a fan to improve the results, creating cooling solutions to improve performance, etc. How to squeeze the max of the hardware that each one has. And as I said, just my suggestion, include the gamer community that is very large and can love to improve the performance of their PCs, with ready gaming benchmarks already present in some games (even if it is in a separate ranking type, just as it could be the Legacy, Gaming, Extreme benchmarks, etc.). There is no ready formula, but adaptations. Nobody else will be interested if they need to do maneuvers to install and use Windows XP? Okay, we'll have a league and its results for those who like it, and I personally think Spi32 is the most technical benchmark 2D and love it. Don't want to mix with the gamers scores? We make benchmarks separate from traditional. If we need to keep the CORE that is the Overclocking of traditional benchmarks? We will then give value to them, updating the results, encouraging people to do it. I think there is a lot to do, as our colleague Leeghoofd explained in the other topic and that is the way. And in my opinion, it is not true that overclocking is death end, or because is all ready. There is a lot to be done to squeeze the max of the hardware, which today is much more sensitive. From simple efficiency to be taken from the frequency / temperature / voltage with dynamism never seen before, to voltmods and protection breaks for the most advanced levels. The worst way to take is to give up. That's my two cents only. Best wishes
  32. 2 points
    Don't use those excuses. Nobody was competitive when they first started, and nobody spoon fed any tweaks. You have to figure out some stuff by yourself. If you're not willing to put the time in, it ain't for you. As far as expense, old hardware is a cheap learning experience, and you upgrade as you can afford it. Just like any other hobby.
  33. 2 points
    What? I do not think that is true at all. I am quite young and know many others my age who are interested in this thing, the main issue most of them have with it is starting off. This community can be very closed off and tweaks are kept secret so it makes new people discouraged that they will not be able to be competitive with scores from people who know some weird quirk with a piece of software that makes it run faster. The other issue is cost to overclock is raising quite quickly and making it harder for younger people with very limited funds hard to do.
  34. 2 points
    Well the ideas are awesome however practice will kill us. Just imagine bugs from those benchmarks coupled with the mighty-problem-causing-good-for nothing benchmate , just imagine the amazing experience and fun you will have debugging that.
  35. 2 points
    Thanks for sharing. Very helpful. Best wishes
  36. 2 points
    Nice to know some people thinking like me. Best wishes my friends. If there are something that I can help, just let me know. Ronaldo
  37. 2 points
    Calling dibs on the Z97 LN2. Let me know about shipping cost to Germany and payment method by PN.
  38. 2 points
  39. 2 points
    Ryzens limitations has always been the chiplet. I've told people this many many times but they don't listen. it's why latency is poor. It why we have struggled to clock ram although they kinda but not really fixed that on 3000 lets just say they unlinked it but the results were not what they were "hoping" for. They needed the chiplet gone but...I'm not sure how it will impact other results and I am also not sure how they will deal with multiple die product like 3900/3950 without it.
  40. 2 points
    Thanks my friend! I made a vídeo, where I consider you as one of the best overclockers that inspire to push at limits. https://youtu.be/GmF5Assihu0
  41. 2 points
    I guess I should attach the .bat file too. FIX WMI.BAT
  42. 2 points
    GPUPI-CLI.exe -d 100M -c ... Calculate 100M on all CPUs in the system and test for the best combination of benchmark parameters (this will take a while) So probably replacing 100M with 1B will do the same for you 😛 Fastest to do is to check the other submissions in the competition... so for me I would try 10M 1024 first to see if it goes a bit faster, but as Jab383 mentions it might not jield the expected result....
  43. 2 points
    nick_name: Please don't rely on someone else's tests of tweaks like GPUPI batch size. Your results will differ depending on many things. In this example, number of cores, core clock, process priority, memory size, memory clock and size of cache all make differences. I know it takes a bit of time to go through many combinations of batch and reduction sizes and more to have to do that for every CPU/memory combination you want to bench. That's the beauty of a complex, variable set of tweaks like in GPUPI -- it rewards effort.
  44. 2 points
    @Sparky's__Adventure and @Hicookie - thanks much. I just flashed X4 on my Aorus Master. Do you guys, or anyone else, have any suggestions on how to control the idle voltage. On my 10900KF the BIOS has voltage set a 1.452 (Fixed) but at idle in Windows it is well above 1.600V. What am I doing wrong?
  45. 2 points
    Check out my hypers. 😛 /s 2100 6-7-5-20-64 1T PL6 works fine for 1M, ran out of LN2 before trying 32M. RP4 was unstable in 1M, didn't try lower RAS or RFC but probably can be tightened a bit. 1.95V worked fine for me. Edit: also this was 1M with wazza, so at least some stability needed for that.
  46. 2 points
    Hey mate, we did in Live Stream. 2:35:53 min, was the best score (it's close, but very hard to get OGS). Thanks and best wishes
  47. 2 points
    Thanks for all the kind words guys, both in this thread and in private Adding to what I said, the last 5 years just didn't feel like the hobby I fell in love with. There are no more events where you can actually meet people and bench random stuff alongside. The community is far too scattered across multiple platforms (forums, youtube, facebook) and it seems that 99%+ of current "legacy benchers" would rather own the hardware than extract scores out of it. Recently losing so many X48 boards (especially the good ones) was a really big disappointment that threw me back 5-10 years. The last straw that broke the camel's back was being scammed by one Wilhelm Sänger trying to find a replacement. I guess enough complaining for now. It's been fun while it lasted
  48. 2 points
    Sure. 4000€ for 3 sticks and you get the rest for free.
  49. 1 point
  50. 1 point
    Play with b-die @ 1.58V, Vio 1.35, Vsa 1.5
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