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    Alby Appreciation Thread

    in HWBOT Competitions

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    12 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

    Thans to many for the kids words, seems some others still don't understand how this site/hobby & community functions.

    I think Scotties post is spot on, it's not about me, but to all those hat invested lots of time and effort to keep the site up and running. Trying to make it as fun as it could be. Similar to daily live, we have to impose rules and regulations to keep things structurized and fair to everyone. There are always problems and learning moments, like now.  Does the site have issues, ofcourse! I'm the first to admit that, but again this is mainly because we are constantly evolving and the lack of manpower or manhours makes things on the coding side even harder. It's like a  new bios, fix one thing break two other things. Patience is a virtue people!

    Just to burst your bubble, this site tries to run break even and is currently based on two main income/event sources: G.Skill and Galax competitions. I don't need to tell you that due to Galax not hosting an event due to regional tensions, we will not even achieve break even this year. So a big hand to Frederik who invest his own money in this site to pay for the server and other costs. We have seen other times with big sponsorship, but the ROI ( Return of Investment ) is always killed by our own community. Leading to sponsors to drop out or just not even adhering to the agreed deals.

    I have no clue why but no matter which generation of OCers I look at, I  can always label ourselves as being  Self Destructive. In the golden times when I was still as young and sexy as many are now, we had numerous world wide competitions. Most vendors didn't have in house benchers so they relied on the knowledge and feedback of the community. Nowadays they have in-house benchers, because these selected people will not turn into the super greedy species some companies had to deal with before. Some examples:  I have witnessed big shot OCers claiming all the samples that they used during an event or even what the fluck just touched. In a dedicated OC lab I even saw sports bags open and a few OCers just putting in binned graphics cards, without even asking for the samples. And there are tons more examples how, WE, the community just keep on shooting in our own feet. Usually it is just a few individuals that mess things up for all the rest. Bussines as usual, year after year, leading to the vendors dropping out one by one.

    Biggest loss on the previous was when Massman decided to leave,  he was the main contact with all the major companies. Companies we needed, to provide samples to the moderators to check out the new hardware BEFORE it hit the shelves, providing site sponsorship and the already mentioned prizes for the hosted events at HWBot. Ney, Websmile, Strunkenbold kept it running but the numerous encountered frustrations with the members all made them to leave. If something is wrong or not up to our own likings, the blaming finger immediately points straight at  HWbot or the moderator that apparently doesn't like your latest brilliant idea. 

    Question: do you as an employee will do the same with your boss? Probably not as he provides your income. So why do this on a site which is free of charge and which allows us to have fun? Beats me, I can only label this an act of lack of respect.

    If I'm overlooking this particular thread you can clearly distinct the different interest and understandings of some of our users. We always spot the same types and characters: the all knowing, the sensible, the smartass ake -, the I-want-to-have-the-last-word and other types.  I guess most of us are grown ups, but why act so childish or even turn into a freaking spoiled brat? Too bad the thread was already moderated as it might have been very educational to read some of the removed content.

    It is time we all look in the mirror and ask ourselves the question: am I doing it right? What do people actually think of me? Am I the next big thing? Why is OC going backwards? Why can't we just press run the benchmark, why do we feel the need to tinker with the free software to get a better score? Self reflection might help with many, some are just lost cases that will never grasp it. 

    Anyway to sum up, I decided to stay as I don't want the kill this site. The current and old HWBot team has devoted way too much to just allow it to go down. But I hope everybody understands now that some will need to tone down, no matter how convinced you are that you are right, a simple No is a No. Stop acting like a 10 year old! Can we please everybody? Nope but we got for the community , not just you, the individual!!!

    The Moderation Team will be reinforced with Matthew Bush and hopefully the integration of BenchMate will still be done before end of year. 

     

    Leeghoofd out

    Can this be stickied and then force read to any  new member.. like a popup that says "Yes I read this" before their account is activated?

    Glad you didn't leave.

    Vin

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    HWBOT Rev7.1 point recalculation in progress

    in HWBOT News

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    I get the fees are high to operate, but I'd think ever little bit helps.. just like 0.2 points/sub as a min.... :)

    over time/volume it adds up. 233k+ members on the bot, say 5,000 are active, $10ea, $50k/year in funds to help with either HW/Coding/Fees. Then you can get help.

    Rookies get 3 months free to get the benching bug, then as they start getting/buying HW the $10 will be moot as this is/can be an expensive hobby.

    I know money can't fix everything, and I know you not accepting money from us means you owe us nothing. I (and many) do appreciate all the effort you and the remainder of your team put in, including the iceberg under the water we don't see. But to some extent, some people here do want to hold you accountable on some sort of moral level. That part is immeasurable

    I'm the cheapest bastard I know, me suggesting a small fee and agreeing with it is a big statement for me. But this place is worth it, the effort you put in is worth it.

    Vin

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    AI SUITE II Fix or how to not support your product!

    in General hardware discussion

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    a fix from M$ to me would seem they broke something and then fixed it. It's not often they make an OS update for a vendor's software issues.

     

    Also keep in mind that Asus are a hardware company (and they are really good at that). I've always found ALL their software to be buggy and should only be used as a visual if used at all. Same goes for Gigabyte's EasyTune.. if you've never had an issue with either of their software packages, you didn't use it enough. Lots of better supported software out there that works great...

     

    if wanting to adjust a GPU fan, I'd recommend MSI Afterburner, great utility and it just works. works with both ATI and nVidia cards.

     

    Gigabyte are a near waste these days. They were great in the era of X58 and older with very few exceptions of "Special" board releases since. I have a small boneyard of gigabyte boards that failed under normal use and were rejected for RMA and returned as "nothing wrong"... but there they are... RAID/SATA failures, Bad Ram Slots. These were day to day PC's.. not benchers...

     

    Before you spend $ on a gigabyte board, go to the Gigabyte Support Forum over at Tweaktown.

     

    Vin

    HWBOT Team Cup 2017 Discussion

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted

    Next year it should be a blind submission challenge.. everyone subs. but nobody can see results until the end... then there's no sandbag as the entire comp is...

     

    then only people who are legitimately benching last minute would be submitting not killing the server for the last 2 days of a comp.

     

    Vin

    Team's Hardware Library List

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted

    Anyway people sells hardware so maybe they don't have it anymore, don't know how effective would it be...

     

    The main point is if you're shopping for gear, you can pick hardware your teammates haven't benched yet and that would help your TPP.

     

    The retired HW checkbox suggested on page 1 would also be a nice add to keep up with what HW teammates currently have to help plan for comps like the team cup.

     

    Both those together here would be like the how stats changed baseball... teams could actually plan and evolve instead of running around like blind mice bumping heads.

     

    Vin

    Not Seeing messeges left on my wall?

    in Support

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    I have received emails that people have been leaving notes on my wall but when I go to it I don't see any.

     

    I also see a notification on the main page (yellow note at the top) saying I have x messages, but clicking on that I still don't see them.

     

    thoughts?

     

    Vin

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