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  1. I've got some LN2 gear that I don't think I'll ever be using. Most of these, I barely used when I was very active here, much less so after that :) Time to give these items a new home!

    #1: EK Inflection Point CPU pot with LGA1151 kit, foam and paperwork. This package was sealed until I opened it for inspection and photos. Bought to help out an OCer friend who was the manager of a local OC store and had these units forever. I probably had some plans to use them, but clearly it never happened. I will just assume that these have the mounting hardware that they're supposed to have, as the content is (almost) untouched by me. There was a tube of Gelid Extreme inside, which I decided to keep.

    $SOLD (or make me an offer)

    #2: EK Inflection Point CPU pot. Same as above, just without the foam and LGA1151 kit. Only got one of those, unfortunately.

    $100 (or make me an offer)


    #3: Small mini alu GPU pot with insulation and thermal probe. I don't recall where I got this, nor what probe it is or if it works. The pot itself should be fine. I think I used this on some very lowend GPU once or twice like a decade ago - low profile cards. Very basic unit, but I guess good enough for what it was used on, anyway. If my memory is right, I used a clamp on it to "mount" it onto the GPU.

    $30 (or make me an offer)

    #4: Long alu GPU pot with some mounting gear (not complete, I think). No idea where I got this. Probably never used it. Might have been from a friend who fiddled around with OCing around 2006-2007. One of the brackets is slightly damaged, and I assume some hardware is missing. No idea how it performs.

    $SOLD (or make me an offer)

    #5: Kingpin Tek 9 Fat GPU pot with insulation. I don't know what revision this is (feel free to PM me if you happen to know!). This one I used a handful of times, I suspect most recently on an 8800GS a little over a decade ago: https://hwbot.org/submission/2195802_knopflerbruce_aquamark_geforce_8800_gs_384_mb_368246_marks

    I have no idea what accessories this one was supposed to come with. What you see is what you get.

    $SOLD (or make me an offer)

    #6: Copper GPU pot with thermal probe and insulation. I don't know if the probe works, or what type it is. I also don't recall where I got this one, either (apparently, I buy these while drunk - as I usually have good memory on this kind of stuff...). I suspect it's an old leftover from some of the Norwegian overclockers that retired when I was around, but this is just speculation on my part. Fairly simple design, but it is heavy. It comes with one mounting bracket, no screws (but I assume whoever made it made sure some sort of standard screws would fit).

    $125 (or make me an offer)

    I live in Norway, so shipping isn't the cheapest through the state company (Posten Norge). The rates are 286 NOK + 26 NOK per kilogram of weight to Europe, and 286 NOK + 62 NOK per kilogram of weight elsewhere. I can ship to whatever destinations Posten Norge will ship to. I can also do it by DHL, but then the buyer has to send me the paperwork as I have literally NO experience with DHL and I don't want to make any mistakes.

    Also, if my prices are insane or I made mistakes - feel free to send me a friendly message and tell me :) Putting a good price tag is hard when you've been gone for so long.

    I live in the Oslo area, within reasonable distance from both the airport and the main train station, so I'm able to meet people there if they wish to do so.

    I accept Paypal, in either USD or NOK. NOK cash-in-hand if I end up meeting someone is also an option.

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  2. So, I have a few GPUs that I suspect have a dead memory module. At least some nvidia diagnostic utility (MATS or MODS, whatever you want to call it) reports a gazillion read errors on just one particular OC on each card. The Windows error message is Core 43, which is kindof like "something is wrong somewhere".

    I figured it might be worth a shot to pay someone to try to fix these things. Swapping a memory IC isn't THAT complicated, I think? The cards seem OK otherwise. But, I don't know who I could ask. I'm located in Norway, and there are no advanced electronic repair shops around here that I can think of. Maybe there are some OK ones in Sweden, Denmark, Germany etc? Any advice? RMA is not an option, though - I got no receipts here.

  3. I just received a supposedly defective Rampage IV Extreme that seems to at least give a picture on the screen. The downside is that it came with no heatsinks whatsoever, so I'm looking for such things. Preferably the original cooler, but I'm not using it for anything that's very heavy on the motherboard itself, so using the waterblock passively might be enough.

  4. I was going through some old stuff, and found what I believe are a pair of old OC Panels for ASUS Rampage III Extreme. Are these still useful for anyone benchmarking old CPUs? I don't think I ever became friends with the X58 platform and didn't use them even once myself.

    In case someone knows something about them, what boards do they work with other than the R3E? Maybe R3BE?

    If it's unclear, it's the one on the left here I'm talking about.

     

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  5. Technically, this is not about overclocking, but I figured I'd ask here anyway. I got a batch of dead GPUs. Some seem more dead than others, and I suspect that some of them have faulty VRAM. Once in a while I find cards that run less unstable when underclocking the memory, which is not important for my use anyway (Folding@Home). So, the question is, are there people out there who could modify RTX 20x0 BIOSes to run the VRAM, say, on half speed compared to stock? if I could get a couple of them to run reasonably well, I'd be very happy.

  6. Not sure if this REALLY belongs here, but anyway... I got a few artifacting Turing GPUs from a batch of "as is" cards I got for cheap, and I wonder how I can fix them. One thing I thought about was the possibility of disabling certain parts of the GPU by using a modded BIOS. is this something anyone in here has been messing around with? Or maybe I can send them to the manufacturer to have them look at it?

  7. I'm not really officially retired, just lost access to LN2, and need to get a few things sorted so I can get back to grinding some stuff again. I used to be a lazy student, now I work overtime almost every day, and keep getting involved in different projects that eat up most of my spare time.

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  8. I might have a bunch of unused fullcover blocks for you. When I go where they're located, I'll send you a list with more details, if you're interested. Sadly, shipping from Norway is very expensive, but if I could ship from Hamburg whenever I go there, shipping costs will most likely be cut in half due to lower rates in Germany.

  9. 6 hours ago, I.nfraR.ed said:

    I was thinking the same lately, not just for the mobos, but for the VGAs as well.

    I will probably order some custom-sized boxes, many companies offer such service and you can customize them the way you want.

    GPUs come in all sorts of dimensions, though. Probably harder to find something appropriate? I was thinking: just follow atx specs + a few mm for mobos, and you can order 3-4 different sizes and be good to go in almost all cases (4P servers excluded).

    I wonder if regular mobo boxes have some standard designation, like FEFCO standards or whatever.

  10. I remember back in the day, sometimes I would receive motherboards in brown cardboard boxes meant for mobos that came with no accessories, just the board itself (perhaps these boards were from ASUS?). Replacing the bigger, stock boxes would be helpful to save storage space - and also for labeling boxes more easily. But, where can one buy boxes like this?

  11. Just a thought: why not just set the bar a certain temperature for whatever cooling medium you use? Not that I have a good suggestion on what that temp should be. EKoolant freezes at -15C, so it's good for some subzero benching during winter. I was going to suggest 0C, but given the safe temps for these premixed fluids that might not be ideal.

  12. We keep unlocked cards at original category, device ID defines for example that AMD6950 unlocked (technically identical to 6970) is a 6950. The problem on this is recognition, if we go by shafers and tmu/rop only, you can flash down 6970 to 6950 and use there as well on theory, same refers to other cards (theoretical as said).

    But if someone would oppose 7350k es 4,1ghz belongs in same category as retail 4,2ghz 7350k and won, we would have to overthrow some of your examples as well^^. At locked chips seperating by max multi makes sense, so new category would have to be done as it ocs 100 mhz higher

     

    I'm aware of that you (maybe I can still say we? ;) inactive mod speaking) keep unlocked cards in the same category, but it would be easier to say "OK, we can't split after 10 years" if you could do an easy flash and make the playing field more even.

     

    I don't know if you can downflash and make a 6970 look like a 6950 in all fields in GPUz (the key is if you can actually verify that a GPU is something else, if that something is device ID, ROP count, or what not doesn't matter - but GPU clocks isn't enough, as they can very easily be changed - it's even quite common to do, no?).

     

    I'm a fan of level playing fields, so if someone said "hey! that chip has feature X that retails don't have" I'd just accept it and buy a few retail CPUs, and enjoy my extra points :P

  13. No, problem, already forgotten -It is a general observation, it is not finger pointing in your direction, I have this all the time, it is daily routine for all mods I think.

    I have no Mars or Ares or other obscure card we could fight about, normally I shouldn´t even care. But I see no fun for us in the future when we overturn hardware categories each couple of years, as said before, now we decide to put Mars at 285x2 for example. In two years other guys come, say it is wrong, it was changed before so I change it again and so on. Imagine this for a lot of hardware categories, mergers, unmerged, and so on. We all will have no fun this way, sometimes it is better to accept an old "semi-correct" pattern that was used for years than to change things again and again.

     

    P.S. to open a can of worms, here is an example - we have 7350k es here at hwbot, it is detected as 7320 iirc first and 7350k and I am sure it is detected at 4,1ghz instead of 4,2ghz. Noone cares, it is only unlocked chip for kbl, so it is clear it is listed at 7350K. It wasn´t discussed, silent consent. What do wedo in two years when someone comes and says this is wrong? And es are very strong, in average much stronger than retail...

     

    If it was locked I guess you'd make a new category? With unlocked chips it's sometimes not that consistent, this is like having 2600k and 2700k in the same ranking - which was not an option back then. And Q3FE/Q3QP together with 980x, but 990x in a separate category:D (2.4GHz/3.07GHz/3.33GHz/3.6GHz stock speeds, respectively). But at least they're unlocked, if you could flash GTX 295 with a fully unlocked BIOS this thread would probably not be 11 pages long.

  14. You really have no clue. The reason der8auers scores with the Mars are better than all others is that he modded, made special ln2-pots and benched the bunnyextraction out of the card paired with one of the best CPUs in the world. All others just use stock cooler or maybe water...

     

    The main thing, and what reasonable people here agree on, is not the technicalities. It SHOULD have been a category of its own. But it was not done so. Touch luck, but the consequences of altering this 10 years later is way bigger than just letting it stay where it has always been. You can of course still beat a mars with a gtx 295. But you have to work for it, it is not the easy 50-pointers that people get with 4870X2 etc cards. This is the real reason this was brought up. People want the easy points...

     

    If you want to look at real world differences, check old reviews. (https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_285_MARS/25.html) It shows that a 295 actually beats the mars in 3D05 and is very close in 06. Even back then it was CPU-bound. Diff in 03 is about 10%, but that is attributed to higher clockspeeds, not so much the extra ROPs or bus width. Actually the clock speeds are more than 10% higher than the 295...

     

    So all in all, people want to rewrite 10 year old history based on a technicality that makes no difference in the real world!

     

    Another thing to consider when making a decision;

    Who looses on keeping the mars in the 295-category?

    Who looses on separating it?

     

    The answer to the first question is the ones who wants der8auers scores removed so they can get the 50 points for themselves without an effort.

    The second answer is everyone who has spent money and worked hard on benching their mars cards. Der8auer is not the only one.

     

    So, hwbot, make a decision and get this over with.

     

    I'm sure what's enabled in the core is completely irrelevant to the scores most of the time...

     

    If there is a stock test that shows negligible performance differences at the same clocks using current gen HW (apart from the GPU) I won't argue anymore, but bus width and ROPs used to matter before. Hence all my complaints to far. If the difference is 1-2% in 03, 06 and Vantage, for example, it's not that much of a big deal, but when you start looking at 5% or more the advantage by having the extra stuff enabled is getting out of hand. Besides, dissing other people's scores is a nasty argument and quite disrespectful to those who ran this GPU (not sure if I ever did, I had a coil whine ridden dual PCB version I used for Folding@Home for a few months). You don't get 50 points without effort no matter what you do (and if I'm proven wrong: why bother making custom pots and what not if all you need is a water chiller and a couple of water blocks + basic mods to get "easy" points? Maybe they weren't that easy after all?)

     

    The time passed by is an issue, but broken stuff should be fixed. As I've mentioned before: I've had my share of issues similar to this, so it's not that I don't understand the whole "I spent X money, Y hours and Z effort on this!!!" thing.

  15. @knopflerbruce

    Before we fade away into further useless discussion I will try to explain my reasons again, you don´t have to agree, it is one way to see things

    1. Reliability of decisions and database are important for me. People buy hardware, spend money on older gen cards relying on categorization of cards for example when they bench for ranking, they invest time, maybe LN2 and risk killig cpus etc. The example with 9800gtx(+) and 6800gt/Ultra and 7900GTO/GTX show that these decisions in the past often followed no pattern, but that it was decided on the point of view then. Same device id, diffrent clock=merged, same device ID, different clocks= seperated listing, different device ID, same core, different mem= divided and so on.

    If we now start to overturn some of these decisions this changes database, ranking, points. It kills the purpose of the effort people made

    2. If we change now Mars to own category, the purpose for users is killed. The card is recognized as 295GTX by driver and GPUZ, you are right that it is no generic 295GTX, it is 2x285GTX. If we would have listed it this way from the start, no problem. It was listed at 295gtx for lots of years, silence is consent, people relied on it. Because we have no pattern (refer to point 1) it can happen in all ways in the future. The 8800GTS G92, the 9800GTX(+) and the 250GTS use practically same vga core when you see shaders and rops, all use ddr3 memory and are seperated by device ID, all are official NV releases btw. we now move the mars despite same device id as 295 to different category because of 4 more ROPs, shouldn´t we then merge cards with same core, rops and units to same category? Only clocks and device ID seperate them, but as we have no pattern and can easily overthrow decisions once made, this is irrelevant. We already ignored device ID and we already merged (or seperated randomly) cards with different clocks and same core...

     

    The result of this is we have killed again the effort of this time hundreds of people by overthrowing a nearly 10 year old decision, using the same random semi logic we used in the past.

    Same can happen to a lot of categries, 88000GTX oc models have same clocks as 8800 Ultra stock sometímes, 8800GT and 9800GT are practially same apart from device ID etc. You can also create a lot of new ctaegories at older vgas like happened recently, some categories that we listed from start of hwbot were seperated for bus etc. the possibilities are endless.

    What makes it even more disturbing, what tells the normal bencher that even the new decision stays the way it was made now? Next year maybe you or me get chief of database or decide this for whatever reason, I see mars and say let´s put it ack to 295GTX bc of device ID...

     

    I hope this makes my point of view a bit more clear, I do not expect you to agree, but that´s not needed^^

     

    I doubt you will find many cases where different bus widths has not been a good enough reason to add more categories. In general the idea is to split when a split is needed, and in the case of 9800 GTX the categories were merged as it was not possible to distinguish between the two. But they were split at first, just like 6800GT/Ultra PCIe (the inconsistency here is that these were not merged, but as you can clearly identify what a mars is by looking at GPUZ it's hardly the same thing).

     

    Consistency is important, we do not disagree there, but just as much as you can feel sympathy for the ones who have bought a Mars for top dollar to run it as a 295, you have all those who can't stand a chance no matter how many 295's they buy or how many litres of LN2 they throw at the cards they have available. The fact that Mars is nowhere to be found doesn't help, either. It's not like you can just go on ebay and buy four of these. In reality an obscure GPU gets ton of extra (hardware) points because it's matched against inferior hardware.

     

    If G34 setups were massively popular and I'd get 50 points for running unlocked ES against people with locked chips I'd understand it if my results were moved to separate categories. As of today nobody gives a damn, because they get 2p each:p But you might remember when people complained because I got "easy" globals from running weird core count chips, that changed - overnight the subs became useless. All the money I spent on these odd chips, which was probably more than what most people paid for a pair of Mars GPUs, didn't matter.

  16. what is funny is that your picture shows a card as 6800gt that has not the common 6800gt device id, which shows where the problem is ... this sort of shows you have no idea what you are talking about, and indeed closes the case

     

    ...and the conclusion being...?

     

    :D

     

    If anything other than "we don't merge different GPUs at HWBot if we can avoid it" you don't listen to your own arguments, even. Don't pay attention to me, just follow the line of thought in your own posts.

  17. I give in... if you would have bothered to check the hwbot results I linked you would have seen that neither Ultra nor GT are recognized any different than "Nvidia Geforce 6800 series GPU". It is like talking to an alien...

     

    Well, it certainly is possible to tell the difference in this case:

     

    https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7203/6948854671_ca87e45e27.jpg

     

    http://www.overclockers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=73952&d=1244428345

     

    It's funny, any case you dig up shows that more similar cards than GTX 295 and Mars are split into separate categories. That sort of ends the discussion.

     

    Edit: seems like ths detection is messed up for pcie cards only, then. The above is still perfectly valid, though.

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