Rasparthe
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,Maybe we can actually get some interest in it this year. I tried a few places but just seemed that no one was interested in pulling for the Great White North.Guess you and I will have to take on the world!
Hope the stages are pre-tested a little more, or at least a little more orthodox, compared to the TC. Some frustrating stages these past few months.
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38 days till start!
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Wow, some of these stages are certainly controversial. Anyway, here is what I found with my 10 minutes of Google research, your model number seems to only be sold in your area, my Russian is.... limited.
Here are two other G50-70, neither with your specific CPU...
http://www.cromaretail.com/Lenovo-Ideapad-G50-70-(59-413698)-156%22-Notebook-(Silver)-pc-21743-855.aspx
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If you believe these sites that particular notebook series was built with both chipsets, QM87 and HM87 so not really much help to you, perhaps someone that can comb Russian sites would be more help. Although, you may want to take all this with a grain of salt, I have been recently accused of cheating...
Good luck!
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You can thank Powerstream Inc here in Canada for killing my 20+ day run on Sep 3, and I had almost made it to Batch 4.... I mean you only have one job, keep the power on!
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Pow, nice stick
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There are tons of invalid results, the moderation is going to be problematic. Even the GPU stages have old CPUz without memory tabs, no GPUz everywhere (maybe Everest allowed?) but some without even that. Going to be interesting to see how the final scores shake out.
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Such a tough GPU with this benchmark, took quite a while to find the threshold to get it to run at all, then it still borked runs every 3 or 4 time through. Probably mostly operator error, but thats not unusual.
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New Fury is problematic? This must be a joke.
These old ones are a mess.
There was Rage Fury based on 128GL and a Rage Fury Pro based on 128Pro. Thats all we definitely know.
The existence of Rage Fury Pro category is actually a mistake. In the same way we would have to create a XPERT 2000 PRO or a Rage Magnum category. But that wont make sense.
If you ask me either allow only Rage Fury Maxx to make sure only "real" rage cards do participate or allow Rage 128 and Rage 128 Pro with the slight possibility that some non Fury card slip through into the competition.
Work is in progress and I really like to say thanks to havli for helping me with research.
I just created a mess in the atom section and need to clean that first after going on with Rage.
So what is the official ruling on this? Are Rage Pro cards allowed? Only MAXX? Only 4 days left in this stage so would like the clarification. Personally I can't seem to find a Rage Fury Pro, only Rage 128 Pros.
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Very nice run! Even a pro test bench!
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Congratulations! Isn't there some sort of code you can write to slow down aging?? Seems you would have figured that out by now...
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You have obviously done much more research on the subject than I have. You are correct though something doesn't look right. I stand by the fact I only put up the score because it appeared in line with the ones that were posted, but I didn't look closely at the subscores. I will gladly take it down.
In the future, you may want to start with asking mods to look at a score, give a reason why you think their is an issue and then ramp up to cheat accusations. Starting the other way just looks like sour grapes. I still look forward to seeing your scores though I imagine all that research will pay off.
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No ES, no Skylake, in general no hardware released after TC Start
Thankyou for the clarification! Removed our Realbench score to comply.
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can anyone remove the fake results ??
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/team_cup_2015_sc2/2366/catzilla_576p_lga775_igp
the first two results are not made in the 775 integrated graphics
Fur test (GPU) the result is too large.
In this case, only the tab graphics card in CPU-Z guarantees that only an integrated graphics card
Why go right to the cheat accusations? I can assure you that I have no time for cheating, not in my submissions or my teams. I moderate them all the time. I'm sure the mods can attest to that.
Catzilla was a bad choice of benchmark for this stage since it barely, barely runs on 775 IGP. Maybe its throwing up borked runs, I don't know, there are no existing runs for comparison. I saw I was higher than the runs that were (AwardFabrik in 2nd) there but I was using better hardware (Quad compared to Dual) and higher clocked RAM (important for IGP runs) so didn't see a problem. I have other runs in the 300s as well. I didn't get close to 1st place but needed more time to work out the runs I figured.
There is no need to head straight to cheat accusations. You reported the run, the mods can decided. If its not valid, I'll gladly take it down, I'm interested in seeing your runs you are basing the accusations on.
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http://hwbot.org/submission/2755587_redwoodz_3dmark03_radeon_r5_graphics_23455_marks
Shows as only R5 Graphics but is the APU portion of A6-7400K
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/radeon_r5_graphics/
This one is probably mislabeled
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Can R5 7400K be added to GPU list, graphics for the A6-7400K.
http://www.pc-specs.com/gpu/AMD/APU_Family/Radeon_R5_7400K/2272
Can't find it in the database unless its there somewhere.
Thanks!
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Can we get clarification on ES rules for this competition? This always seems to be a point of contention,
Is it as the normal ES rules of HWBOT that ES is not allowed for any current generation of CPU/GPU?
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No ES of any shape or age or type?
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There's public API that allows to pause executing code. Also using a debugger (ida,wdasm etc.) you can simply step-in/pause, controlling each loop easily. Oh well, can't wait to get back from holiday and start the machine up.
Okay, I see. Those actually interact with the actual program/code though. I can see why that would be banned.
Does it mean that non-even loops will cause a sub to be disqualified? I know the current run I have has them uneven because I turned off the background program(s) to make sure it was actually running or had frozen up. I wish it wasn't so vague on what the rules are for this type of stage. A ten or twenty day run is a lot of time to have to rerun because of unclear rules.
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No, that's not necessary. GPUPI 2.2 indeed fixes a bug for these slowest result competitions, but it's nothing that can't be moderated manually. Although we will have a good look at slowest results made with GPUPI 2.1.x in the currently running team cup stage. That's for sure.
If there is a bug that affects this competition shouldn't it be announced so that no one is inadvertently (or not) using it to slow the calculation. Especially since it can be moderated easily enough, or is this the type of bug that is more of a hack. I'm assuming that running stuff in the background to slow the calculation isn't considered a bug.
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LOL, thanks! Didn't realize my lunacy was in question
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I'm fairly sure that if you get that bloody big red 'X' that it won't be accepted. If you don't, it's all good for submission no matter how you got there, speed up, slow down, its all good.
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The stage is still broken, still waiting on a fix for it. It appears the entire CloudGate stage is being added together and not adding to the team total. Everyone is in the same boat, it will be fixed before the end of the competition I'm sure.
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K404, Rasparthe: it's partially about psychology, but mainly about rewarding overclocking ability fairly. In the slides included in the opening post, you'll find the problem description. The question is: "Is it really more difficult to reach top-20 with LN2 than it is to reach #1 amongst Enthusiasts?"
In the current system, the highest reward goes to people who run their hardware using liquid nitrogen. Although part of our mission is to foster and grow the extreme overclocking community, the reality states that not everyone is interested in trying out liquid nitrogen. In fact, the large majority will never go beyond custom water cooling builds. Effectively, that means a person who chooses to never use subzero cooling can only earn a fraction of the points of someone who tries liquid nitrogen. Look at SuperPI 32M: #1 enthusiast has 5.8pts; #20 on LN2 has 35.8pts.
This is true, but isn't that the way it should be? But I think this is where you lose me. As K404 said, its all about psychology, since everyone in Enthusiast is in the exact same boat. To answer your first question, I would say they both take an equal amount of effort. Both are pretty hotly contested goals but the playing field is level. No one in EL has the benefit of LN2 cooling so making it to the top of the league is done using the small amounts of globals that are available to them. The only reason to add points is for added bump of pride of competing with the LN2 guys.
Evaluating your proposal, Rasparthe, I have the sense that we are somewhat on the same page. Your suggestion looks good on paper, but as you mention the arbitrary nature of the "global points multiplier (GPM)" is a problem. That's what's avoided by what I proposed in the opening post. The "multiplier" is establish by taken into consideration how many participants there are within a certain class. In your proposal you run the risk of having an improperly configured GPM that favors a specific class. I can imagine this would've been the case in Sandy Bridge era when ambient cooling systems were competing at the top of the global rankings. This is not a problem with the proposal from the first post for the simple reason that the increase in global points is directly related to the amount of participants, and the amount of participants of a specific class will always be lower or equal to (but not higher) than the amount of overall participants.
Not sure, but I think we actually agree on the principle. Thanks for the feedback though, Tony. For some reason I always enjoy reading your contributions here. You're always to the point!
I wouldn't say that I'm sold on your reasoning. My proposal was just an option to get the same effect but to make it easier to understand with a simple multiplier (which all overclockers undestand
). To be truthful though, I'm much more apt to say leave it how it is. I think its well understood that if you want the top scores you have to move to Extreme. If you believe that the low scores are what is causing loss of interest, or lukewarm participation then you should probably be thinking about splitting the scores posted down the lines of done under Extreme or Ambient. Two totally different databases, with everyone participating in one or the other. Or another completely different setup?
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If you are looking for RAM that operates at 2-2-2-5 at those voltages look for Samsung TCCD sticks. They should be able to do those timings at that voltage. Those boards and their variants are absolutely horrible when it comes to RAM, no matter how much tweaking I've done with the settings in the BIOS it seems to make almost no difference and sometimes actually hurts stability.
Incredibly fun board though, if you really want to see what those boards can do you should follow the Team Cup stage that will feature a good many of those....
http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/team_cup_2015_sc2/2369/3dmark03_fastest_agp
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Planning on a Fury Pro unless I hear different.
So they are separate cards? The Fury Pro is a Rage 128 Pro but not all Rage 128 Pro = Fury Pro?
Old School is Best School - Season 2?
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I just want to make a comment or two about this competition, not sure if this the place or not, but here goes.
First, absolutely love the idea of this competition but here is my criticisms.
The stages are very, very specific. This is probably the thing, next to time available, that kept me from even participating. Strictly in my opinion, a stage like 6600GT SLI or a specific chipset on Socket 462 is too narrow or specific to get widespread participation.
The stages have two different sets of requirements, the rounds only have 2 stages (which I like) but each stage has different hardware requirements. Wouldn't it be easier for guys that want to participate to not have to buy/find two sets of hardware?
Not a huge fan of the staggered rounds, I don't know why, just it messes with my own internal organization. For me at least, it takes away from the round ending, excitement for new round feel, but might just be me.
That's my comments on the first Season, wish I could have participated more but couldn't find the time to get it done. Hope to see this return!