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  1. redux

    [FS-US] PSC

    price drops, stuff added
  2. Finished binning my PSC a little while ago and I feel I should clarify this -- high voltage scaling on PSC is just a matter of the settings you run. Roughly speaking, running tight but with loose tRCD gives the most voltage headroom. Sticks that take 2.2, 2.3, and even 2.5V are the exception, not the norm (and usually suck anyway ). I will make a post in more detail at some point. Quick binning at 2800C9 isn't enough, evidently. I'm currently working on rebinning with my PSC binning chip and, aside from better voltage across the board as is to be expected with a better quality IMC, high frequency (2800++) voltage scaling is dramatically better, 100mV+ lower in some cases versus the poor quality 4670K I used some time ago. Naturally binning stringently is always better (though, you know, having some validation that your goals are realistic is always the problem), I would bet some kind of 2850+, 2900+ metric for IMC binning is a better idea. (Though, technically, this IMC would have failed my Samsung binning, it needs +0.3 IOD for 2800+, unlike with PSC)
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    [FS-US] PSC

    B83U854, 4x. They do not POST in Z97 but will POST and OC fine on 990FX if inserted into certain slots, in a certain order, posting in between each stick insertion. But they do work! Not sure that would apply at all here, but just thought I would mention it. Yep, I clean contacts and slots regularly.
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    [FS-US] PSC

    Post updated.
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    [FS-US] PSC

    240mm AIO, in brief tests should be almost the same as strong air. Post updated, all listed G3258s spoken for, I might have one more I can add.
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    [FS-US] PSC

    Located in US. From my 52 samples these are "above average", good for 5.0 but no 5.1. (Outside my own testing I have seen many many worse chips.)
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    [FS-US] PSC

    For sale are some CPUs and mem I no longer need, checking interest here before I throw them on ebay. PPFF preferred but other options possible. Prices include domestic shipping. Can ship international, buyer covers shipping (exact price varies but add $15-20 for first class international). All tested on Z97 OCF, tight subtimings, all voltage numbers are value set in BIOS. Unfortunately I lost my screens, but I can do some quick tests if requested. Some value PSC. I tested a couple dozen value sticks and these were the only ones that were any good. Targeted towards people who want to get their foot in the door on DDR3 benching. 6. Apacer Value 2GB ("XEJ"): My best value stick. Does 1200MHz 7-11-7 tCWL8 1.68V, 1200MHz 7-11-7 tCWL6 and 6-11-7 tCWL8 1.91V, 1300MHz 8-12-8 tCWL6 1.86V, 1333MHz 8-12-8 tCWL6 1.96V. (Note: 1333 tRCD12 did not seem to work at tCWL8, only at tCWL6.) Price: $25 $20 $18 7. ASint Value 2GB ("XEE"): Does 1200MHz 7-11-7 tCWL8 1.75V, 1300MHz 8-12-8 tCWL6 1.92V. Price: $10 $8 8. Transcend Value S/N 7254 1GB ("XEN"): Does 1200MHz 7-11-7 tCWL8 1.80V, 1300MHz 8-12-8 tCWL6 1.96-7V. Price: $5 $3 9. Transcend Value S/N 8230 1GB ("XEN"): Does 1200MHz 7-11-7 tCWL8 1.75V, 1300MHz 8-12-8 tCWL6 1.90V. Price: $10 $8 11. Injured F3-17600CL7D-4GBPIS. I bought this kit a couple of years ago or so, my first good kit of PSC. When working they did 1333MHz 8-12-7 tCWL6 tight ~1.92V 32M, S/N 1086 did 1400MHz 8-13-8 ~2V but the IMC could not handle PSC very well, hence subtimings. I still have never found a kit as tRP-strong -- 1200MHz tRP6 32M stable, 1300MHz tRP6 1M, 1333MHz tRP6 bootable. (I found images of 1300 8-12-6 single channel 1M, 1333 8-12-6 single channel CPU-Z.) Long story short, there is most likely eraser stuck in some BGAs. As I recall, one stick will not POST at all (maybe it will on a more forgiving platform -- I have had "dead" samsung work on AMD), one will barely do more than JEDEC. Maybe they can be cleaned up and restored to working order. Price: $30 $25 $20 12. Mushkin Redline Enhanced 998805 1600C6 (2 sticks). KO-8117 PCB. Price: $35 Stick 1: 1200MHz 7-11-7 tCWL8 1.74V, 1300MHz 8-12-8 tCWL6 1.91V, 1333MHz 8-12-8 tCWL6 1.96V. Stick 2: 1200MHz 7-11-7 tCWL8 1.71V, 1300MHz 8-12-8 tCWL6 1.87V, 1333MHz 8-12-8 tCWL6 1.94V. 13. G.Skill Trident F3-16000CL9T-6GBTD 2000C9 (2 sticks). Price: $50 Stick 1: 1200MHz 7-11-8 1.71V (7-10-8 passed 1M), 1200MHz 6-11-8 1.95V, 1300MHz 8-12-8 1.87V, 1333MHz 8-12-8 1.93V, needs tRP9 for 1350+ Stick 2: 1200MHz 7-11-7 1.74V (7-10-7 passed 8M), 1200MHz 6-11-7 1.98V, 1300MHz 8-12-8 1.88V, 1333MHz 8-12-8 1.94V, 1375MHz 8-13-8 2.08V. More to come later. Some above average G3258s from a few dozen that I binned: 1. Pentium G3258, batch 3418B967. Does 4.5 1.20V, 5.0 1.5V 32M. IMC does 1375 8-12-8 1.92V channel A 8M on PSC (no 32M due to stick limit). Price: $20 SOLD 2. Pentium G3258, batch 3422B337. Does 4.5 1.10V, 4.9 1.28V, 5.0 1.47V 32M. Dice: 5.5 R15 at 1.55V or less, 2.3VIN. Price: $20 SOLD 3. Pentium G3258, batch X518C495. Does 4.5 1.18V, 4.9 1.35V, 5.0 1.44V 32M. Price: $20 SOLD 4. Pentium G3258, batch 3412B733. Does 4.5 1.19V, 4.9 1.34V, 5.0 1.44V 32M. Dice: 5.5 R15 at 1.55V or less, 2.3VIN. Price: $20 SOLD 5. Pentium G3258, batch 3418B976. Does 4.5 1.17V, 4.9 1.34V, 5.0 1.43V 32M. IMC does 1375 8-12-8 1.92V channel A 8M on PSC (no 32M due to stick limit). Price: $20 SOLD 10. Pentium G3258, batch X619D536. Does 4.5 1.17V, 4.9 1.37V, 5.0 1.45V 32M. IMC does 1375 8-12-8 1.92V channel A 8M on PSC (no 32M due to stick limit). Price: $20 SOLD
  8. IMT451U6MFR8Y-DC0, single sided 4GB sticks.
  9. I contacted the seller to ask about those sticks last week and they did not reply to me. That said, maybe somebody not in the US will have better luck
  10. There were also 2400c8 Avexir sticks. I am aware of four sticks, and a lot more of the 2200c8, so I would guess the 2200s are the "rejects" of John Lam's operation.
  11. Agreed. Personally, my "wishlist" isn't really "kits I want to hoard in trays", that's useless to me, more like curiosities. It's why I use the phrasing of "novelty"; would be interesting to have, but I'm not really one for collecting (despite my spamming of this apparent collector post). The only reason I have a lot of rarer kits is because I have to bin them still, but I only intend to keep a handful around once all is said and done.
  12. No particular interest, I do ultimately want to get my hands on one of each IC (since it's hardly unprecedented for enthusiasts to discover a random IC that's actually useful, see Samsung 1Gb G), but I have a Pi Black 2000 9-9-9 kit of it. It was actually an accident, I didn't even notice they were 1GB sticks until I got them. Freegeek, I assume? That is a good deal, I myself got a lot of 2000-2200 sticks from them a while ago, haven't tested all of the sticks but the 2000 Ripjaws I got in that lot turned out to be excellent. Whether the blacklines are GT depends on the part number, I nabbed a kit of those when I was just getting into DDR3 and was a bit disappointed to find out they were JN. To be fair, I didn't actually pull the spreaders, but they weren't any good. Kingston also depends on the P/N: 2000C9D = 9-9-9 BBSE, 2000C9AD = 9-11-9 BDBG or BFBG, depending on production date. My wishlist was also enormous, but, well, with a lot of time, money, and patience, now the number of kits I have is enormous (a bit too enormous...) Well, shoot, now I have to talk about my favorite subject, insane (near-)vaporware bins. At least, my understanding of some. Near-vaporware (extremely limited): F3-19200CL8D-4GBPIS, 2400C8 Pi. Very good bin, source of some of the best air results I've ever seen (though I believe the particular kit I'm thinking of, which TaPaKaH had at the time, hated cold; air isn't everything), but I've seen kits that were merely "pretty good". Apparently was retail but I don't think there were more than like a dozen kits. F3-19200CL8Q-8GBZHD, 2400C8 Ripjaws Z, same deal as the Pi. Some insane sticks, very limited. As far as I know it was only quad kits, so that doesn't help things. F3-20000CL9D-4GBTDS, 2500 9-11-9 1.65V PSC. Found in an OC3D review. I would guess this exact spec didn't go retail, or if it did, insanely limited. F3-20000CL9D-4GBTDS, 2500 9-11-11 1.65V PSC. The only results I have a link to are from Hiwa, he claimed they were a retail purchase and sold out immediately. If some of those results truly were done with memory on air, that kit of his was golden. Demo/ES SKUs: F3-12800CL5Q-8GBPI, 1600 5-8-5 1.65V PSC. F3-16000CL6D-4GBFX(D?), 2000 6-9-9 1.65V PSC. Look like some sort of Reaper-Flare hybrid. F3-18400CL7D-4GBPID, 2300 7-10-10 1.65V PSC. I know where this kit is but only one stick is still alive. F3-20000CL8D-4GBTDS, 2500 8-12-8 1.65V PSC. Used by Hiwa at a Computex 2010 demo. I believe Andre Yang had a kit as well. Don't have a clear picture on hand. KHX2544C9D3T1FK2/2GX, 2544 9-11-10 1.65V BDBG. PR. F3-20800CL8D-4GBPIS, 2600 8-11-8 1.65V PSC. The "3" and "4" on the PCBs in the picture make me think there were at least two kits... Vaporware (don't have any concrete evidence of these existing, beyond people asking if it exists ) : F3-14400CL6D-4GBFLS, 1800 6-8-6 1.65V PSC. F3-18400CL9D-4GBTDS, 2300 9-9-9-24 1.65V BBSE.
  13. Some high bin and/or rare kits I own: D9GT - Corsair Dominator CM3X1024-1800C7DIN (1800 7-7-7 2V) - Definitely not as rare as the CM3X2048 version but one of the best bins Hyper - Corsair Dominator GT CMG6GX3M3A2000C7 (2000 7-8-7 1.65V) Hyper - SuperTalent Project X WX200UX6G7 (2000 7-7-7 1.65V) - A very aggressive XMP, though not sure on actual quality BBSE - G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-17000CL8D-4GBXMD (2133 8-9-8 1.65V) BBSE - G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-17600CL9D-4GBXMD (2200 9-9-9 1.65V) BBSE - Kingmax Hercules FLKE85F-B8KHA (2200 10-10-10 1.5-1.7V) - I don't think they're all that great but it's quite a high frequency BDBG - Kingston T1 KHX2250C9D3T1FK3/6GX (2250 9-11-9 1.65V), KHX2333C9D3T1FK3/3GX (2333 9-11-10 1.65V) and KHX2333C9D3T1K2/4GX (2333 9-11-9 1.65V) - high frequency Kingston bins, though not the highest PSC - G.Skill Pi F3-16000CL7D-4GBPIS (2000 7-9-7 1.65V) - Nothing special quality-wise, but seem to be rare simply due to a lack of sales PSC - G.Skill Pi F3-16000CL6D-4GBPIS and F3-16000CL6T-6GBPIS (2000 6-9-6 1.65V) - Very famous bin and was very popular back in the day due to the tight spec and some impressive kits found in this bin PSC - G.Skill Flare F3-16000CL7D-4GBFLS (2000 7-9-7 1.65V) - The highest bin of Flares, which are quite rare since they were made for AMD Rev.D - G.Skill Trident X F3-2666C10Q-16GTXD (2666 10-12-12 1.65V) - G.Skill's highest bin Rev.D - Corsair Dominator Platinum CMD16GX3M4A2666C10 (2666 10-12-12 1.65V) - The single best retail bin1 2Gb BFR - Corsair Dominator GTX8 CMGTX8 (2400 10-12-10 1.65V) - Useless for benching but a collector's item CFR - Kingston "Overclocker's dream memory" (2800 12-14-14-32 1.65V) - ES, have changed hands a couple times as a "kit" of 4, I believe there are 8-10 total but somebody can correct me if there are more MFR - G.Skill Trident X F3-2933C12D-8GTXDG (2933 12-14-14-35 1.65V) - High frequency MFR, though not G.Skill's highest Wishlist (retail or apparently retail; P.S. my PMs are open ) : D9GT - pretty much any well-binned 2GB sticks, they a bit harder to find than 1GB since it is such an old IC PSC/Hyper - Corsair GTX1-6 Hyper - Adata Extreme Edition v2 AD32133F002GM(O)U3K - novelty mostly, very high voltage spec and seems to be extremely rare BDBG - KHX2400C9D3T1FK2/4GX, Kingston's highest retail bin PSC - pretty much any of the high frequency (over 2200) bins, whether for novelty or quality depends on the particular kit (F3-18400CL8D-4GBPIS, F3-19200CL8Q-8GBZHD, F3-19200CL8D-4GBPIS, F3-19200CL9D-4GBPIS, F3-20000CL9D-4GBTDS, PVV34G2500C9K, etc.) PSC - F3-16000CL8D-4GBPIS - 2000 8-9-8 and not Corsair, lol, another case of seeming to be extremely rare simply due to a lack of sales. The one result I've heard was that it was garbage, but that won't stop me! Various SKUs interesting for other reasons -- using weird ICs (very old 512Mb kits), kits with an IC not usually meant for that model (BBSE 2000 8-8-8), etc. And maybe other stuff, this was off the top of my head And, obviously, there are lot of special demo/ES/etc SKUs that would be cool to own, or other rare bins that I'm not sure went retail, but the likelihood of getting most nowadays is nearly zero.
  14. Somebody was a little faster, reserved awaiting payment... will update if it becomes available again.
  15. For sale is a Z77 OCF with a 3570K socket protector. Good condition, only used the board for a few hours doing various testing. Never seen cold. $160 OBO shipped US (can quote international), PPFF preferred.
  16. Oh, I did buy some 2000 9-9-9 flares on the date of this post 😁 I have two kits, 1031 and 1039. They're pretty decent: In the worse 1039 pair, one stick is strong on tRCD (1100 6-9-6 8M, 1200 7-10-7 32M, 1300 8-11-8 32M), both are fine on voltage but not "strong." In the better 1031 pair (the one you're asking about), they're not quite so tRCD-strong (8M/1M 1300 tRCD11), but do pass 1333 8-12-8 tight at 1.86V which I was impressed with -- definitely my best 2000C9 at the time (though now I have found some very similar Ripjaws) I happened to see that you got some more patriots recently, hope they perform well for you T/R I don't think ever made it into 2000 9-9-9, only 2000 9-10-9, and the highest was 2200 9-11-9 as far as I know. (Also, just to be pedantic, the X/T/R system doesn't mean what "common wisdom" thinks it does 😉. But that's a discussion for another time.)
  17. I have a kit of 2133 9-11-9 patriots. PSC, but not any good.
  18. I have a whole tray of this stuff...maybe I should test it sometime 😁 Edit: two trays!
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