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Ok, so the competition is over. For those who wonder how to OC i3 on LN2 on XPower there are a few tricks. First of all is to set a good base profile which you can boot at around -120C. Set both mem and CPU as high as you can. Look down timings on memory, and especially RTL and IOL. Set RTL a little higher or you will reach memory limit quickly while overclocking in OS. I used 52/53 RTL and the corresponding 8/8 IOL for 2000+ memory. Once you have booted your base profile at -120, increase bclk, go down to -170 or whatever your board/CPU can handle and reboot. The key is to not change settings so much that the board needs to do full reset. A "light" reset should be able to boot at around -170.
Next thing to consider is memory on XPower. XPower eats SA-volts for breakfast. Mine scaled to 1.50V. Also, like I said before, set higher RTL/IOL than on 2 dimm boards or you will be limited at around 2000 C12.
If you suffer from low efficiency in Geekbench, remember to turn on AES instructions, as they are off by default on MSI XOC bioses.
Nice result and thanks for the feedback man! RTL/IOL is dependant of IMC, same for required SA. You can check page 25, I posted XTU @2047 12 12 12 tight, RTL 50/52 with not more than 1.35v SA on a "random" 6.5G Caseking CPU.
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Oh sorry, I have overlooked it? Thanks
Page 27.
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Hi Sam, where I can find this T72 BIOS for the Z170I Gaming Pro AC ?
If you could find that post, shouldn't be hard to find BIOS, maybe just read previous pages? Same for @Fact11
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There will be more Ambient comps in the future but not sure if any 3D and for sure no more XOC.
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Guys, I'm trying instal XP with this guide on XPOWER, no matter what I do, I always get dash blinking at left top corner after step 2 and nothing futher...
I tried so many images, and approachs, even the one from ASUS Z170 thread.
@pepinorang I saw you mentioned incoming XP instal guide, is there any? thanks
Also, I'm trying to do 4k tight on cold but I get 55 loop no matter what, I tried 90BCLK and increse it from OS to get 4k, but no luck. I'm trying it because I saw many mentions, that its possible on cold, even boot straight with 4k tight
I think the answer for the upcoming guide is clear from my last post already.
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@pepinorang
We need XOC bios for i3 on XPower. The 173 can't do full pot because PLL volts are limited at 2.0. The GOC bios won't go higher than 125 bclk.
As some of you already know, I'm no longer in charge of OC community and support for MSI as my job position changed. For any OC requests please contact @MTC. BTW, this is the last XOC competition (online or offline) from me and overall from MSI as well.
Envoyé de mon ASUS_Z010D en utilisant Tapatalk
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"- VRM is not suitable for XOC but it is 100% enough for the current comp."
VRM suitable/not suitable for Stage 3 GB3 All Out ? Oh right, not for Stage 3 as you will most likely be limited with only 3 CPU phases.
"WARNING: Post at 12 11 11 takes FOREVER!"
It does on all boards I've tried
"Hardmod guide for SA: "
No hardmod for MPower VRM board, lol. This would be killer for Comp
We have thought about it before Computex but you would need a G-POWER since vCore+VCCSA+IGP must all start at same time and also timing is very crucial otherwise CPU won't initiate... Probably not worth the trouble.
BTW, since there is no ACPI BIOS, you will notice that performance in 32M vary a lot from run to run (up to 4s).
Unless you find your own solution, my advice is to re-run again and again, according to BenchBros 2/10 runs are OK: BenchBros`s SuperPi - 32M score: 4min 31sec 562ms with a Core i7 6700K (NO ACPI RUN)
[highlight]HAVE FUN![/highlight]
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No ACPI BIOS for little board..?
How to get XP working on the board..?
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
@MTC ?
- No ACPI BIOS and there won't be.
- Use ASUS Guide and press F5 to select MPS Multiprocessor at same time you have to press F6 to load FiraDisk Driver, this will install non-ACPI XP.
- VRM is not suitable for XOC but it is 100% enough for the current comp.
- Z170I GAMING PRO AC is an entry level GAMING motherboard and therefore it is much less convenient to OC than XPOWER as it don't have any buttons, debug led or clockgen (need to Clear CMOS/Discharge MB after each memory training fail to reset Intel ME otherwise BCLK stay locked), however it can run memory at higher frequencies and tighter timings.
- Command Center Lite 2.0.0.11 to 2.0.013 (latest) can be used, no need for special one.
Latest BETA BIOS: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h28ewvqmbyox2cj/E7980IMS.181?dl=0 (I recommend to use this one unless you need more SA)
Old XOC BIOS (Computex 2016): https://www.dropbox.com/s/dc9pmdwxr81koo1/E7980O17.T72?dl=0 (Only difference is max SA air ~1.33v / max SA Ln2 ~1.35v, I wouldn't use it unless you need more than 1.25v SA which shouldn't be the case for benching. WARNING: Post at 12 11 11 takes FOREVER! 12 12 12 is OK)
Hardmod guide for SA: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0fjr7oy1xyydyz3/Z170I_gaming_pro_AC.docx?dl=0 (Need to use XOC BIOS, up to 1.8V after vmod)
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Wait, what?? I just noticed Tapakah's 4000+ 1T results! This is a 4 DIMM board and that is freaking amazing.
Tapakah is using Z170I GAMING PRO AC (ITX), but I have posted 2000-2047 12 12 12 28 220 1T tight results on Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE.
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he is not the one to contact right now. Im not sure who the new contact is, if one even exists. What card do you need it for?
The old and new official way -> Get in touch with local office.
Also @Massman, could you please upload first page?
I have received more or less 50 mp for ABX since the Guru3D issue. Thanks!
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Some further tests with the T72 BIOS:
2100+ should easily doable but my retail sticks are out of puff voltage-wise (hence the 2T at 2100)
Yes I can do 2100 12-11-11 32M + Wazaa with my ES sticks.
I'm trying to get them to unlock SA above 1.35v for max frequency and implement ACPI on this one too...
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Nice! What are the electronics for?
On the left is Wizerty's own front panel/multi-meter.
On the right is an MSI internal tool to flash BIOS with debug LED.
It's more convenient since the board doesn't have its own Power/Reset buttons and debug LED.
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Very nice mobo & IMC, MSI on the right path...
Thanks, for memory we've been on the right path since DDR4 launch
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Good job! ES CPU?
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1.2. Unreleased/NDA Hardware
LOL, Toppc can't read English properly and he doesn't even know what's a HWBOT league!
I'll solve this with him tomorrow, thanks for the heads up.
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Congratulations Toppc 大大! Now send over the new BIOS
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First page has been updated with new XOC BIOS + new flashing tool (as usual XOC BIOS can't be flashed with M-FLASH). :celebration:
Change log:
- Fix PCI-E lock to 1.1
- Fix B-DIE need to boot 3866x99~99.8
- Fix E-DIE need to boot 4000x99~99.8
- Replace old Micron/Hynix memory presets with new ones for AFR/MFR/D-DIE/E-DIE/B-DIE (I'll add Hynix M-DIE and update B-DIE asap, it only set primaries and tFAW for the moment)
- Add Non-K OC support
- Add ACPI support (need to be tested, not sure it works properly on this one)
- Increase SA/IO voltages in OC profiles
- Rename LN2 LOW OC profile to LN2 -120
- Add "LN2 FULL POT" OC profile
[highlight]***This BIOS must be used with Command Center Lite HOT version***[/highlight]
New memory presets:
Non-K OC + ACPI:
New OC Profiles:
HAVE FUN GUYS!
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I am very impressed.
I must put my hands on one of these beauties.
Good work !
Even if you have probably noticed, I must warn that I needed -80 on IMC for +2040 (memory weren't cold though).
The CPU I used isn't binned in any way so maybe a better IMC could also do on air.
However for XTU @2000 12-12-12-28-220-1T tight, ALL AIR is fine:
I'll try 32M asap, but for now I can't get this new BIOS to work with XP (ACPI or not).
At least it pass without wazza in 7 x64
For XP installation you must press F7 when the System asked you for the AHCI DriverIt is not the issue, I had XP running without ACPI before.
This BIOS is supposed to be ACPI compatible (I saw it working on another version before) but neither my old install without ACPI or a new install with ACPI are working...
Weird but I have no time to check this further at the moment it'll have to wait a bit.
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Testing with the board you got two days ago?
Yeah I told you, I don't have any other anymore!
Also the DDR4-4094 C12 B-Die XTU above with BETA 173 was done on the board I picked up from you
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New XOC BIOS (based on BETA 173) is here guys! :celebration:
I'm testing it right now and will post it later on!
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gunny mentioned I think a new die or just new 8gb afr coming in may from hyper x, said it was supposed to compete with b-die when cold. I only saw a screenshot on air and a quick post about it, so I know nothing, just thought maybe someone tested.
Hynix M-Die.
Not sure they can compete with B-Die though, we will see.
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bring on ACPI!!!!!
Actually it is already there, but it seems I cannot get it working:
OC MENU > BETA RUNNER > REAL THREAD
Maybe you could try with an XP drive that is already ACPI?
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How much SA for this?
1.33v, for the moment...
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First page updated with latest Softwares and BIOS.
New XOC BIOS takes a lot more time than I expected as R&D is busy with next gen, but it will be ready around mid-may at very least.
As I mentioned before, new XOC BIOS will be ACPI compatible, include 15 new memory presets for D-Die/E-Die/B-Die/MFR/AFR and fix ALL the bugs of HOT v2.
In short, it' will be one to rule them all and I doubt another one will be needed until Kabylake or new competitive memory ICs are released.
For Non-K OC, you can now use OFFICIAL/BETA BIOS, when Non-K CPU will be installed, BIOS will automatically switch to microcode and display an hidden menu named "Beta Runner".
In this menu you have to enable the "NOC" option and your Non-K CPU will fly!
BIOS screenshot, courtesy of Der8auer's MSI Z170 Non-K OC Guide:
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So I'm getting the vibe from pepinorang's last post that he's about done with this thread for goodsies, so I guess this is more of a general question for anyone who knows the answer, but does that mean that the MSI official BIOS 1.B (in my case, for the M7 z170, and published on 2016-02-23) actually allows non-k overclocking? I'm not brave enough to check myself, as the changelog simply says
- Updated CPU microcode(0x7C).
and updating microcode (to my ignorant self) feels like it would be A Very Bad Thing if I want to keep OCing my i7-6700
On 03-02-2016 (after 1.B was published), pepinorang mentioned that future bioses will have the "switch to old microcode secretly" option, but that was after 1.B?
edit2: I found E7976IMS.1C1 on another OCing site (but NOT on the MSI website.....), with a publish date of April 6th. Is that the Bios that enables OCing on non-k that pepinorang is referring to?
None of the Official BIOS will lock your Non-K CPU, don't worry.
When there is a Non-K CPU installed, BIOS will display an hidden option named "Beta Runner" in which you need to enable the option "NOC".
If this does not happen it means the BIOS is not new enough and doesn't have the feature implemented.
BIOS picture, courtesy of Der8auer's MSI Z170 Non-K OC Guide:
http://overclocking.guide/updated-msi-z170-non-k-overclocking-guide-new-bios/
BenchBros - Core i7 6950X @ 5320MHz - 2821 cb Cinebench - R15
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Posted · Edited by pepinorang
The right CPU in the right hands!
Congratz for the long due 1st place without "special tweak" involved!