der8auer
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I take it for 250 + Shipping to Germany
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If still available I would take:
I7 980X SLBUZ ($40)
Rampage formula S775 X48 Sealed ($60)
Rampage III Extreme Sealed ($90)
Rampage III Gene Sealed ($50)
Asus Commando Virgin ($70)
QX6850 QXTN (ES) ($25)
QX6800 SLACP ($25)
QX9650 SLAN3 ($30)
I7 980X SLBUZ ($40)
I7 975 ES Q1HH ($30)
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I would love to take actions but as usual we need solid proof. If you have some we are happy to look into it. It's one of the cases where I personally would consider it "obvious" but from an objective point of view we still need some sort of proof to justify a ban.
I'm not happy about that but I think we have to follow the fair procedure so everyone gets the same treatment.
Again: If anybody has solid proof, please send it to Albrecht.
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For the future you can only report scores the official way. If you think that a score is not legit you have to go to the submission page and report the submission officially. No more talking to Albrecht, Hiwa, me or other involved people on private messengers, Discord, WhatsApp and so on. If you want to have a submission checked by a moderator you have to go the official way.
Thanks!
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Holy mother. That is insane. Congrats guys!
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Sold to allen. Thxbye
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On 3/17/2022 at 5:02 PM, Fasttrack said:
Try eBay.
Here noone is gonna pay more than 1200 for both.
I would do 1500 for both
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We're always open for improvements for future competitions. Albrecht and me try our best to find a frame for competitions that is both fun and challenging.
What I'd like to see is more appreciation within the community. Right now it feels like whoever is first and maybe found a loophole or tweak will get bashed. Albrecht and me received so many messages during the last few weeks and I'd say at least 90% were completely unnecessary.
Just be happy for a moment that Intel is here to support our community in such a great way and see a chance to have a good time. We obviously see if things could be improved and you can be sure that for the next competition we will also try to make things more clear so everyone is on the same page.
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Wow that is strong! But to be fair with the previous submission you should include scope video verification
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1 hour ago, saltycroissant said:
Thats why adding vantage/FS gpu score only is a step in the right direction to get more ppl into 3D.
if the hurdle is too high with obscure tweaks it will not help I think
1 hour ago, Leeghoofd said:Previous owner called it "evolution", I proposed back than a clock limit on modern CPUs on the legacy 3D... Guess a decade later that wasn't maybe such a bad idea ? Too little too late
would've been interesting to limit GPUs with the available CPUs at the time
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Thanks for leaking the tweaks!
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9 hours ago, OVIZ Hardware Lab said:
To be honest, the efforts of the "new owners" of HWBOT are not new to let Multi GPU die...
Don't take what I posted out of context please
It's a different story to make benching more affordable for the masses by not focusing on RTX 3090 Ti SLI vs 3DMark2001 with lack of verification and legacy cards.
Regarding the "we can spot it in Nature" argument:
Splave has a valid point here. Now that there has been a huge discussion, everybody knows about it. If Nature is too high, you can simply clock down for the test. This is a massive problem for moderation.
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1 hour ago, hammertone said:
Get to the root of the problem. A few top overclockers here " only " pushing the limits. That is moderation team place to focus.
that's essentially how 99% of the rules were created. There is always a grey zone and if it's not forbidden clearly, people will abuse it.
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I don't think this helps. Different benchmarks will be lead by different people. You will not get an equal "compensation" in any scenario.
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3 hours ago, Rauf said:
I vote for removing globals for any multi-GPU categories that do not scale with GPU-power. It's just artificial points.
Would we keep a CPU benchmark that only scales with GPU? We already have enough points for the highest clocking CPUs...
Im with Tobias here. Same thing for 05, 06, Vantage, 11. All of them score lower in multi GPU than single GPU.
From HWBot perspective, any benchmark that requires extreme tweaking is bad for us. It puts high workload on the moderation team and is at the same time demotivating for people who want to step into overclocking.
1 hour ago, saltycroissant said:Well if we loose 01se..... imo the most fun benchmark because of all the tweaks, can we at least give Vantage or 05 globals for multi gpu. So like Stavros said we don't screw ppl who took the time to optimize and get those damn hawaii card to behave.
Took me a whole month to figure out what was wrong with my driver setting ?
That's why this is no option from my side.
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7 hours ago, saltycroissant said:
Id be really sad to lose 3D01se because its a great benchmark in my opinion and that it require quite a lot of work. Pls don't remove this because of 1 person. This thread is a little late sadly because all of this could have been avoided by asking said person to run 3D03 x3 or x4 and it would have been obvious to everyone, but now is too late.
Single Card would not be affected by this. Maybe also not dual. But will see what this thread brings and then discuss with Albrecht
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Seems like we will continue here:
So I will close this thread
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1 hour ago, FireKillerGR said:
Same way one could do the exact opposite and run 2x GPU in SLI/Crossfire and disable it to sub it under the single gpu category of any 3D benchmark.
How visible it is makes no difference to the action itself.
NOTE: It is SO visible as a specific test of 3DMark2001 performs worse with a high clocked LN2 CPU (running single gpu) vs a run at 5.6 GHz with Crossfire enabled.Two things here: Before I opened my thread 2 days ago I looked into this and from my perspective it was not clearly visible in all cases if single or multi GPU was used. 01 and 03 were the benches I probably used the most in my active carreer. And especially with the different tweaks (and run oder for 01) there are sometimes huge fluctuations in subtests. And especially for blocking people for "cheating" we have to be 100% sure that it was actually a cheat. And if there is a tiny uncertainty left, we have to give benefit of the doubt.
The other thing is that new benches don't really allow this way of cheating because we always ask for the futuremark verification link. Just disabling SLI after running Time Spy for example won't work. That was my intention why I asked to just disable globals for 01/03 for the multi GPUs.
Looking at this from a neutral point of view and especially business point of view (the last one I don't really care about tho) I would just disable them right away and move on. We have so many other topics to care about that spending time on this doesn't really make sense. But then again from a bencher point of view I know how much time and effort (and money) it takes to create these scores and I respect that. That's why I was looking for your feedback on this matter. From my side there are just two options:
- It's detectable and people report the scores -> moderation investigates and decides. This can cause drama for both sides. Moderation will have to spend time on it and potentially can take a wrong decision here if the detection is not clear. This would be at your risk
- We disable points and move on
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We can fix that for sure. Apprentice can participate here
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4 hours ago, IvanCupa said:
Hello everyone!
Just want to ask something & clarification before it went too far, so the limitation is "Must use commercially / retail available components."
It's mean, the mobile systems (Notebook / Gaming Laptop) IS ALLOWED to participate?
If it allowed, maybe easier to encourage Indonesian ppl to join & participate. ?
Considering we are here, many don't have a desktop PC lately. Due to pandemic, Crypto making all component shortage & skyrocketing prices.Many thanks for the answer. ?
yes, mobile systems are allowed
you can participate with any notebook
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Stage 2 will include temperature monitoring by itself due to the benchmark used. So we won't really have a problem there. As for Stage 1 we can see the CPU Temperature in most CPU-Z Validations and if there is further proof required we will ask for videos.
CPU-Z was mainly chosen as Stage 1 because we will have a lot of new people and we want to make it as easy as possible.
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Cool. I'm happy that we talked about it so it's one topic less on my table
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No it's not my "idea" because for me personally it's not relevant. I had guys during the Hardware-Reaktor-Reloaded event ask me about this and also others over WhatsApp and Discord.
Instead of talking to few people in private I always think it's better to have an open discussion with more opinions. And it's pretty simple: If you all want to keep it, we keep it
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FS/EU nice old hw
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I would like to take the Dominator Peltier cooler if it's still available :)