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Seems like you're familiar with bios modding... So, i figured it should work like this:
- extract systembios module with either awbedit or modbin6 (even works with win10 64bit)
- change romsips in systembios module with hexeditor (again win10)
- open bios in modbin (again) and while open replace original.bin with modded module (?)
However i'm not sure how i'm supposed to overwrite the original.bin while modbin is open. CMD in winxp won't let me as the access to the original.bin file is obviously blocked... Or can i just use cbrom32 for this task?! Is there a reason why i need a dedicated win98 machine and VM won't work?
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I'm not an expert when it comes to bios modding... So that might be true
I also just discovered that i'm having issues with my files not being fully flashed to the board. If i backup the bios it differs from the file i flashed before. Looks like my romsip tables aren't properly written and that might be the issue why i'm stuck at 240MHz.
I'll now try another way of flashing the board, maybe that'll make a difference... Been using winflash 1.94 till now. So please take what i wrote above with a grain of salt... I'm still experimenting and trying to get on top of my issues.
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So looks like you actually can just put the BPL in with a hexeditor. But for the Romsips you need modbin trickery and checksums. This seems the way to go:
extracting the Systembios modul from the bios file, then modifying it and we'll need modbin (preferably the lovelust modded one) to put it back afterwards. However i couldn't find the lovelust modded version anywhere, so i currently can't mod the romsips.
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Sure! I basically open the bios with a hex editor (in my case HxD https://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/) and copy the BPL or romsip tables from one bios to another. You'll find the BPL at offset 70000 to 74BF0 and the romsips at offset 74c00 to 74FF0. Just copy the whole block from one bios to another. Make sure to either choose a bios with CPC on or off as the BPL tables are different.
If you need other romsip or BPL tables, you can just use any bios or modbios, extract, copy and insert them. I even copied from abit to asus without issues. If you want to know which BPL version is inside a bios, you can search for it (just search for "3." or "2." in your hex editor). Usually you'll finde something like: VDAMC/09/08/2003/v3.19 which would indicate BPL 3.19.
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Time for a doublepost i guess...
I've now modded the 1008mod3 bios by Trats and tried BPL3.04 (stock by Trats), BPL3.17 and BPL3.19. All seem to crash at 245Mhz in Memtest test #7. Next up i'll replace the romsips with the ones Merlin uses on the Taipan bios and the Mantarays XT D26 by Tictac. If that won't do i'll try another cpu and memory sticks (only tested 2 cpus and 3 sticks so far).
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I'm already running Trats 1008mod3 (the newest bios for the A7N8X Deluxe v2.0). The 2nd board just hits a wall. I can get 240Mhz stable with just 1.82V Vdd but it just won't run stable at 245Mhz, regardless of Vdd. I tried up to 2.05V and different Rams. TCCD or Winbond didn't matter. I haven't tried validating it yet, but it freezes during POST at 250Mhz. It's rocksolid at 240Mhz though. I've thought about trying another bios just to make sure it's not holding me back...
I'll retest the first board and report back. If both boards show similar behaviour, then it might indeed be the BPL or romsips inside the bios.
Just to clarify: I'm currently on aircooling.
EDIT: Just switched to my other A7N8X (OEM "4MBO", 1008mod3-1T by Trats), same behaviour. 240Mhz is Memtest86+ stable, test #7 freezes at 245Mhz regardless of voltage. I'd say its not the board but a timing (romsip or BPL) which is holding me back. I got two additional boards (2x A7N8X-X) and may test them with trats 1010-1T bios, maybe it's the combination of 3.04BPL and dfi 6/19 romsips which just maxes out at 245Mhz.
I'll probably try the 1008mod2a by Trats which got different romsips. Maybe it's running better than the 1008mod3. I'll keep you posted
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I think i found the difference... The A7N8X-E 1013-1T bios uses 3.17 BPL and DFI 6/19 Romsips. My A7N8X Deluxe (1008mod3-1T bios) and A7N8X-X (1010xmod2-1T bios) both use 3.04 BPL and 6/19 romsips. This might be the issue why i'm failing to make it past 245MHz
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I've got a second A7N8X, this time a Deluxe v2.0, and i can't seem to make it past 245Mhz on both boards. I've tried up to 2.0V Vdd and 3.4V VDimm (plenty for Winbonds and 245Mhz) and still Memtest86+ locks up in seconds when running test #7.
So far i only did the 12V conversion, replaced the cpu caps (now 3300uF, 16V ultra low ESR), VDimm and Vdd mod. @TerraRaptor mentioned added ceramic caps on the cpu. Does it help with stability? If so which are needed and where did you add them?
I'm currently running the 1008 bios by trats with cpc enabled (1T). Anything else i'm missing?
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2 hours ago, Noxinite said:
Also, as a side note, are we going to allow benchmate scores in newer OSes for older HW? Eg, Win10 4790K with Benchmate for R15?
I don't see an issue with this as long as new Submissions on older Hardware are still possible without Benchmate. So in any case you could still use the "old way" of benching the older systems and thus prevent any efficiency losses. Otherwise, if Benchmate+Win10 is faster obviously everyone will start using it on the older systems. In both cases you don't have any issues with older records becoming unreachable.
For AM4 you could either do it for Ryzen 3000 or wait till 2020 (4xxx Cpus) and enforce it then.
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Very nice score, well done! Especially on this board... I'm curious what your "trick" to reach 260Mhz+ on the A7N8X is... ;)
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Yup, just wanted to point it out as good as possible
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@TerraRaptor
2x256mb Infineon "6A", Voltage 3.44V. These are probably relabeled Winbond Chips, that's why it scales that good. The Chips on the Sticks are HYB25D256809AT-6, the "AT-6" is important. You'll notice that these Infineon got the typical two round circles in the plastic, just like Winbond BH-5. My sticks scale past 260Mhz at 3.6V. Bonus: You can get 256mb and 512mb Sticks for <10 bucks in germany...
Here's a pic of the chips:
I'm currently limited by cooling, voltage and FSB. The A7N8X just hits a wall at 248Mhz and becomes quite unstable above it. I was rather lucky to complete this 1M run...
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Perfect, thanks!
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I got a question regarding the dogpile stages:
If several teams don't manage to submit all 999 scores, how are they ranked and how is the score calculated? Are the teams:
a) ranked by number of submissions and score afterwards
b) is the score averaged (sum of scores divided by number of submissions) or
c) is the score the sum of all submissions by a team?
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So, here's my final result for my board + mods on custom watercooling:
I ended up using 1,92V Vdd, 3,4V Vdimm and 1,85V Vcore. I tried these resistance ranges, maybe it's of help to anyone modding his/her A7N8X:
VDimm:
10kOhm resistor + 10kOhm VR = max 3,05V
5kOhm resistor + 10k VR = max 3,22V
3,3kOhm resistor + 10k VR = max 3,4V
Vdd:1mOhm resistor + 1mOhm VR = max 1,88V
500kOhm resistor + 1mOhm VR = 2V++ possible, i stuck to 1,92V as more didn't help with FSB
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Nice to know. I'm running 2x256mb Infineon 6A so the sticks should handle the high(er) Vdimm without issues. Also good to know that you can raise the Vdimm past 3.3V, so hardmodding the Vdimm to the 3.3V rail doesn't help.
And here's how i did the mod. I'm using 10k fixed + 10k VR for Vdimm and Vcore. And 1m fixed + 1m VR for Vdd. That results in 3.05V VDimm max and 1.89V Vdd max so far.
EDIT: Changed the Vdimm resistor to 3kOhm + 10k VR. Still not enough Vdimm for the 6A to hit DDR500... I'm currently trying to get 245Mhz FSB stable.
Result with this Board: https://hwbot.org/submission/4217023_tzk_superpi___1m_athlon_xp_m_2600_(barton)_38sec_109ms
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Thank you for this amazing mod. I also did the Vdd mod and couldn't even get the Board stable at 208Mhz FSB. However after making the 12V Mod, i'm now able to boot straight into win at 245Mhz FSB and with 1.88V Vdd. Amazing!
I used 2x 10k for Vcore and Vmem and 2x 1mOhm for Vdd. I also didn't add the 4pin connector, but just soldered a wire from the VRM to the 20pin ATX connector. And last but not least: I also added two Panasonic FM 3300uF 16V instead of the removed three 3300uF 6,3v caps on the Cpu VRM.
I also got a question:
How far can i raise the Vmem without blowing the Ram VRM up? I went with 3.05V max. so far.
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Both of you need to enter the Memory type (DDR, DDR2, DDR3...).
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This is correct for all stages, except the first (nvidia hwpts) and last stage (gpupi). Countries are ranked by 1) how many of the required scores have been made and 2) the average score of the relevant subs of the country. So, firstly it's important to make all the submissions, then secondly to get the best average.
Seems like this doesn't work as intended right now, looking at Stage 1.
Currently the ranking is:
1st Ukraine 3 Gens 62HWpts
2nd Italy 2 Gens 56HWpts
3rd Netherlands 2 Gens 21HWPts
4th Argentina 1 Gen 16.7HWpts
5th India 1 Gen 11.7 HWpts
6th Germany 3 Cardgens 11.6HWpts
Looking at what you sad above it should be like this, right?
1st Ukraine 3 Gens 62HWpts
2nd Germany 3 Gens 11.6HWpts
3rd Italy 2 Gens 56HWpts
4th Netherlands 2 Gens 21HWPts
5th Argentina 1 Gen 16.7HWpts
6th India 1 Gen 11.7 HWpts
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Nvm, i think i got you wrong. All stages *except* Stage 1 (HWPoints) and last Stage (GPUPI) are ranked by number of submissions first and then scores. While Stage 1 and 5 are ranked by total score only. Right?
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I'd like to know if it can overclock on BCLK like the K Cpus, too.
Keep the results coming!
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Whoops, sorry for bothering you, then
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Now that this ticket is almost 4 years old, i want to bring it to an (hopefully good) end
I just saw this post by K404: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=37138
and will keep posting my results in the 9600 GSO G94 category.
My 9600gt has same specs as his 9600 GSO. Hopefully staff is fine with this?
Ticket can be closed then
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Ticket ID: 1714
Priority: Low
Hi,\r\n\r\ni just noticed that the Nvidia GT 420M is missing in the Database. Please add it, so i can post my results in the right category
\r\n\r\nThanks in advance\r\n\r\nGPU-Z Link:\r\n
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Now, how the hell did you do that SoF?
Awesome score!
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@mrmagoo:
you just called one of the greatest OCers a cheater...
Look here:
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1024336_hicookie_pifast_core_i7_980x_12.11_sec
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1024321_hicookie_superpi_32m_core_i7_980x_5min_19sec_546ms
or one of his other results. This guy is NOT cheating. He just found a golden CPU and knows how to use it. Hicookie doesn't need to prove anything for you.
Anyways, wheres the connection between this resuld and AMD?
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At least i can tell you now which BPL and Romsips you used on your AN7 1T bios, Infrared. My guess is BPL 3.02 and the Merlin "EB ED" Romsip tables which he used for example in the "D27_TaiPan_0.2_EB_ED_Bpl_3.19_16.12.04" bios for the NF7.
I'm currently trying the two ways Tictac suggested over at XS, however to get a win98 machine running seems to be difficult...