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i repair pc's since i was 13 years old and started doing it for cash at 14. i started fiddling around with parameters on the bios of many computers that people left for me to repair and found out that i could make them more stable, faster or economical and that was pretty fascinating. i started to see that there is a lot of ways to boost a pc performance than just the usual stuff that i could see informed people saying, like (putting more memory, putting a faster cpu), and that even that two assumptions are many times wrong. i always wondered on a pc what would be the maximum performance i could extract from it, but i didn't done nothing too extreme as the hardware wasn't mine so i decided to buy my own stuff to try tweaks and to try to max it out, and then i got the bug, and then it really started. i don't remember how i found hwbot but i think i was reading a forum about athlon xp's and i started using hwbot to see how far things could be pushed. on 2008 i got pretty addicted and got 50 gold cups in a month using very cold air as the cooling system, now many of it had been beaten already by people using extreme cooling stuff. that month on 2008 completely rocked, i loved every bit of it, i would bench stuff almost all the time if i could, but life is pretty bad at the moment and i don't have extra money to spend, in fact i sold a lot of the things i used to bench because i needed the cash, maybe one day i buy some of the stuff again and make a bunch of goldcups in a row like i did before.

thats very good, specially considering the mobo you used, very impressive stuff right there.

i had a computer that i used for 5 years until yesterday (because a crappy PSU fried it) to browse, do regular work, see videos on youtube, listen to music, etc... it was a k6-2+ 570mhz that i asked hwbot to put on the cpu list 2 years ago and i was away from hwbot for many time so i didn't posted scores with it, i was going to do it but it got fried by the psu so i couldn't, i got really sad because i really liked it, but the thing is, if a k6-2+ is enough to me for all things i do except for gaming (i have a phenom x4 for that), nowadays, many people don't need more than a k6, and if things were so carefully coded as they were back in the old days and if some 'bloatware' got removed from the programs and OS's i dare to say that a pentium mmx would suffice the most regular needs with ease. i saw videos on youtube of people that browse some sites even nowadays with 386's, computers are being pretty strangled because of bad software (OS's included) nowadays.

started pifast now, i'm feeling that in a few days (lol) this thread will receive an update

i will try it but i have the slightest impression that i've ran that program from a floppy in DOS mode a few time ago to find out the manufacturer of a mainboard but i may be wrong. i have another soldered am386dx-40 exactly like this one but i cant find any kind of jumper configuration for the mainboard that has it. one of those programs that identify bios strings say its a Seritech Enterprises mainboard, i've googled it and found only 4 bios strings from mainboards of this manufacturer, 3 of the bios strings were connected to a mainboard and the other bios string (equal to mine) was from an unknown mainboard, now that's bad luck. the mainboard i'm talking about seems almost like a new out-of-the-box mainboard and has the capability of supporting a 387 math coprocessor installed together with the 386 chip but without jumper configurations i can't swap cache chips for some better ones and i can't overclock the cpu . i have a i386dx-33 chip too but i don't have a mainboard for it .

there is a DOS program called maxspeed that can read actual cpu frequency on these old machines and will refresh the readings from time to time just like cpu-z does on actual machines, but there's no need to printscreen it on this particular matter as the frequency you see on testcpu it's absolutely correct and the frequency you see on cpuchk is wrong (like the program maxspeed proved when i ran it). i tried to run chkcpu by the command line changing some parameters that make the program run in a certain way, like the /i /r /b to see if the thing could read the actual cpu speed, i got different numbers of cpu speed on chkcpu when applying this parameters but none of it was right. but you reminded me of one thing i forgot to mention, the thing is really overclocked from 40mhz to 50mhz and i will not change it as it's running way faster than before and as i can see here it's pretty stable. the 16k superpi run took me around 45min. to run when it was on 40mhz and at 50mhz it knocked down almost 10 minutes to that time. and sorry but i found a wrong information on my submission, the memories were 8mb (8x1mb) not 16mb

it will take way past 2 months to achieve that, i will do it, but not for now, i want to get a ups first because this place has huge voltage fluctuations, current spikes and power failures and i'm not feeling like waiting 2 months and then... oh the power just went off.

Hi there, i've posted the score that i believe to be the first 386 score ever posted here on hwbot. here is the link: http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1027785_woox3rpt_superpi_am386dx_40_2days_21h_36min_32sec_992ms here is the photo of ''the beast'' : http://a.imageshack.us/img709/8043/dsci0fg078.jpg

Ticket ID: 944 Priority: Medium i get this error when i try to submit a score: An unexpected error occured when saving your result. We apologize for the inconvenience. Please try again later. Message: \'org.apache.torque.TorqueException: com.mysql.jdbc.MysqlDataTruncation: Data truncation: Data too long for column \'system\' at row 1\'\r\n\r\ncan anyone tell me what might be the problem, all data are fine on my submission i believe, maybe it\'s because i\'m trying to post in the cpu category that i asked here to be added to the list and it seems like it was already ( am386dx-40 )

Ticket ID: 937 Priority: Low hi there, i need this cpu to be added to the list so i can start posting scores. i don\'t have a cpu-z screenshot or a valid canardpc link because this is a 386 and the highest OS\'s that i can install on it to run some benchmarks are windows nt3.51 and windows95 and none of those can run a recent version of cpu-z properly. Old versions of cpu-z can run on this computer though, but they don\'t give any information so i used alternative tools.\r\n\r\nhere is the screenshot\r\nhttp://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1796/cpuid.png\r\ncpuchk detects the type of cpu but not the correct frequency and testcpu detects all informations just fine\r\n\r\nhere is the photo of the cpu\r\nhttp://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2881/dsci0078w.jpg\r\nthe photo has a high detail so it\'s possible to zoom in and clearly see what\'s written on it just to confirm that the info. given by the software is valid\r\n\r\nthanks

i don't know if a 386 can drag itself with nt 4.0 and wprime says it will only run with at least windows nt 4.0 sp3 but if you find that it's possible to run wprime there, please let me know. super pi 1.5 won't run on nt 3.1 3.11 3.5 and 3.51, they are way too unstable for that, at least on my tests on these OS's with super pi he could finish the 16k but not the 1m run but on the nt 4.0 everything goes like a charm. i will try the 386 thing too like i said to you before so the info. about wprime on nt 3.51 will be very useful.

i see you are posting the scores of the old machines already, i will bench one of those too but i never thought that for a wprime 1024m run it would take 50 DAYS =O. that mainboard is cool for those old processors, if i had one of those working good, the old cpu's would go faster around here . good luck on benching more of those things.

if you have a 486 you can easily put it running windows nt4.0 and then you can bench with superpi mod 1.5 xs. nt 4.0 it's pretty lightweight (not enough for me though, unfortunately, i have only a crappy 16mb ram, a crappy 400mb harddisk, a crappy 128k graphic card, and a crappy mainboard that doesn't have a single IDE connector and only accepts ISA cards, if the mainboard didn't had some settings to play with i wouldn't even start benching with it, because this isn't a record breaking rig for sure )

if someone can't run nt 4.0 because of hardware limitations (a 386 maybe, never tried but i will) that's a good thing to do but if the person has the hardware to intall nt 4.0 and run the updated version of superpi it should definitely do it because that way isn't unfair at any level. i'm benching a 486 dx2-66 right now with windows nt 4.0 and a 16mb memory stick (a bit small for this OS) just to be able to run the super pi 1.5, i dont know if this version of superpi is slower or faster but it's just ''cleaner'' to the regulations and to the other members this way. what software do you use to identify the cpu in windows 4.0? i'm having some problems finding an accurate tool to identify and display my cpu information

i tried windows me and it's hopeless, maybe with some updates it will do but i wouldn't hold my breath on it, windows 9x family for this version of superpi is no good. too bad because it's simpler to set up the 9x family versions of windows than the nt ones (excluding windows xp and those above it)

i will check if win98 runs super pi mod 1.5 xs because the latest version of cpu-z have a windows 98 version and having the two recent programs running on an old OS would simplify things. and about the message i wrote for turrican that you thought that was for you (i re-read it so i could understand the source of all this confusion that i provoked), i was simply asking to turrican if he could make or support the claim i made about the super pi running on 9x versions of windows other than 95 and the reason for that was that i saw on some download websites that they say its compatible to windows 98 and me (9x family excluding 95 and older than 95), i admit that i didn't made it clear that it was a question and not an assumption, i believe that was influenced by my first language where we can omit many things on a phrase for many reasons, i know that some things when writing in english for everyone to understand can't be done, but sometimes i mess up because i write things as they come out, better to re-start the conversations from here and to avoid misdirecting my messages i will quote from now on, i didn't wrote on any forum for 2 years or so and it looks like i forgot some ground rules . thank you for being so helpful (turrican and antinomy) just another question, do you guys know how we can contact the hwbot crew to add a processor to the list? once i contacted about putting the k6-2+ 570 because i have one (unfortunately i never posted the scores, because after requesting to add the cpu to the list i spent many time without internet and time to bench) and now i can't seem to find how to do that, hwbot is different now too, new features, new benches, new options here and there, the only thing that got worse was the design/look of the site, in my opinion, because i think the old one was prettier.

the answer you are talking about wasn't for you, was for turrican, sorry if i didn't specified who i was talking to and if i offended you in any way i didn't said you did said such thing, i'm not arguing with you or trying to prove a point here, i'm trying to get informed by people that know what they are talking about, like you, turrican (those who answered) and many many others here on hwbot, if i wanted to pick a ''fight'' i would bring this up on forums where people don't know nothing about it and think they do

i thought super pi mod 1.5 xs was a problem in all windows 9x based OS's because on 98SE and ME (yes i installed it on the computer that i'm talking about and the thing even connected to the internet with no problems and i browsed with it for a while, lots of disk swap though, because i only have 16mb of memory) and it had an error like it did on 95 but if you say that it runs fine on 9x OS's except windows 95, i believe it, so i figure my m/b probably isn't really working very good, i will try to spot any damaged stuff and fix it because i'm not feeling like buying 486 stuff at the moment.

i can't even complete a 16k super pi mod 1.5 xs run on the 486 with windows 95 and it passes memtest86+ and prime95 with flying colours. on windows nt 3.5 it does the 1 mb run with no problems, this is pretty weird, and i know that all the jumpers and connections are fine so something may be causing the stability issues on windows 9x but the only thing that i suspect is the mainboard because when i was testing super pi runs on windows 9x i swapped all the parts one by one to see if any of it was causing the problem and none of it was, too bad i only have this mainboard to play with.

i believe you are, 32m super pi runs should take a long long time, i'm probably going to do a few of those too. do you mind telling me what OS are you using?

thanks for answering and i believe you answered all my questions. we are really talking about socket 3 but it could be an older socket, like the ones used by 386 because with an old windows nt i believe they can run super pi mod 1.5 xs, i think i have one around here and if i have enough working parts to assemble it maybe i will post a super pi result, but it's going to take a while i guess...

hi there, i didn't posted scores for a very long time and recently i found some very old hardware when i was doing some ''extensive cleaning'' and some of it was working so i thought - i didn't posted scores for a long time and i'm feeling like benching something. the problem is that the super pi submissions (for an example) require the screenshot with the most recent cpu-z and super pi mod 1.5 xs and a validation checksum generated by cpu-z and: OS's of the type windows 9x don't run the super pi mod 1.5 xs correctly but the most recent cpu-z has a special version just for those systems OS's of the type windows nt (prior to XP) run super pi mod 1.5 xs correctly but cpu-z doesn't have a version that works correctly on this kind of OS that old hardware will not be able to install xp or any other OS that is beyond that because its missing the cmpxchg8b instruction on the cpu i found submissions that weren't invalidated that were made after the rules changed where: people use old versions of NT, super pi mod 1.5xs, everest or chkcpu or old versions of cpu-z or: OS's of the type windows 9x, with old versions of super pi, chkcpu or old versions of cpu or recent versions of cpu-z. that kind of submissions generally have a small text explaining why the person who submitted had to do things that way how should i do it to comply the best i can with the hwbot regulations? windows9x + recent cpu-z + old super pi OR old windows nt + old cpu-z + recent super pi?

jmke that wasn't really my idea but it's a good idea too. i don't think it would be necessary to do that because as wwwww says as long it's faster it will only require re-testing, no more unbeatable scores because of version incompatibility issues. i hope one of this 2.00 versions of wprime gets approved .

if a wprime version that it's faster than any other on every machines gets released it can have some huge differences sometimes but it's allways better than performing slower on some machines and faster on others because this way everyone is able to beat records and be beaten by the previous recordists and by the new overclockers. i don't know how the calculation method is made on wprime but i had this idea that i don't know if it's possible but maybe it can help you out, to standardize the wprime timings maybe you can mix up the calculation methods of different wprime versions, i don't know if i'm saying something stupid or if you already done that but it's just a thought.

version 1.43 - 438.393 version 1.53 - 441.184 version 1.55 - 528.781 version 2.00 - 353.238 version 2.00 beta 1 - 382.79 version 2.00 beta 2 - 417.48 * ** version 2.00 beta 3 - 386.275 * version 2.00 beta 6 - 382.99 * * beta versions with correct core detection ** beta version with the closest timings to version 1.43 BUT it gave me a 0.3% of maximum difference between some runs and that isn't so accurate as all the other 2.00 beta versions that gave me a difference of less than 0.05% between runs