richba5tard Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Good points, point taken. Massman is preparing an official statement about subteams, we're tightening the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Maybe unethical but the scores could easily be blocked. This sub-team in question was logged into the forums yesterday afternoon but had nothing to add to the thread.? What is so unethical about blocking scores that are causing so much contraversy until a solution is determined? I don't like to block scores too fast. To rush things is never good. I had a conversation about the subteam with Sergey13 and he convinced me this was only to SHOW how easy it was to gain points using such subteams. He asked us to move the scores to Mayk's account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harleybro Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I don't like to block scores too fast. To rush things is never good. I had a conversation about the subteam with Sergey13 and he convinced me this was only to SHOW how easy it was to gain points using such subteams. He asked us to move the scores to Mayk's account. I had a score blocked by you I believe on my account. It was my T5500 32m run which was done a few months ago and just blocked last week. I recieved the email and when I went to check it it was blocked already. The reason being I didn't have a cpu-z. Funny it would come to question since I do have #1 with that cpu in sisoft, wprime 1024, wprime 32, and #2 PiFast. Granted my 1M was slower but I guess it was hard to believe I could have scored in the top 3 don't remmber what place in 32m. As for too fast I guess the following day after an email is sent is the normal time for a result to be removed totally from an account. I had just checked Mayk's account and there was dual scores for 8800GTX SLI in 03 and 06. If it was to show how easy it was to gain points wouldn't someone let a mod or admin know about it here first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorod Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 this was only to SHOW how easy it was to gain points using such subteams. Yeah right ... lol Sound like a BS story to keep their hands clean to me . Does anyone actualy believe in that ? but anyways , good to know hwbot is coming up with updated rules and a statement about subteam runs and hopefully things like won't happen in future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Yeah right ... lolSound like a BS story to keep their hands clean to me . Does anyone actualy believe in that ? but anyways , good to know hwbot is coming up with updated rules and a statement about subteam runs and hopefully things like won't happen in future I don't even care if it's to keep their hands clean or not. Sergey13 was most gentle and kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praz Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Why the points were posted really isn't important now. What matters is the issue was rectified as well as could be after the fact. Up until now the posts by the HWbot crew indicated that this was within the rules. It should be obvious to all of us that things were going on behind the scenes to bring this into the confines of what the majority feel the rules dictate. Seems like it's time we all go back to benching. After all, that's what we come here for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin1518941692 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I don't even care if it's to keep their hands clean or not. Sergey13 was most gentle and kind. I hope you never get quoted on this out of context. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Day Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 am I allowed to use that wonderful quote as my sig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 And there goes my reputation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I must say that I'm very glad with the end of the story about Moscow Subteam and Russian overs. IMHO new Subteam Rules are not perfect, but they're better and more clear than several months ago. Nevertheless, some hwbot.org participants continue to ignore them and to gain/cheat hwboints with restricted methods. I've noticed such a bug in one of the TOP-10 Teams a few weeks ago, but it was not fixed till now. I suppose that our turkish friends don't know English at all, don't know what is the Fair Play, or perfectly understand what they are doing, but they just want to cheat more hwboints, hwboints, hwboints... So, the problem and the facts... The Team - Hardware-Arena Turkiye. Suspicious Members - !!!! Brandybuck (http://hwbot.org/user.do?userId=7634), the Team Leader!; Hwa Fena Core (http://hwbot.org/user.do?userId=10060); HardwArena Turkiye (http://hwbot.org/user.do?userId=7625). I've looked through some results a few weeks ago, and I noticed the suspicious Hardware-Arena Turkiye's members - Hwa Fena Core and HardwArena Turkiye. That days I supposed that the first and the second are something like turkish subteams, but the details are quite surprising. These two "bots" have only several good results, and randomly use the screenshots and verification links to Futuremark's website. The most interesting thing is that all the three mentioned participants use THE SAME ORB Account for verification. Just for example: Brandybuck - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5476236 (User - 3164766) - 3Dmark 2003 - 60238 marks on GF 8800 Ultra; Hwa Fena Core - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9192949 (User - 3164766) - 3Dmark 2003 - 45537 marks on GF 8800 GTX; HardwArena Turkiye - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5460218 (User - 3164766) - 3Dmark 2001 - 74987 marks on GF 8800 GTS. It is a nice way to multiple the TOP-500 hwboints, isn't it? I suppose that Brandybuck created the two mentioned bots by himself, but I am not sure for 100%. And here is one more interesting detail with the results - Brandybuck and HardwArena Turkiye have got the results on the same hardware - Radeon 9550, registered on the other ORB profile, but made by that cheating turkish guy, too: Brandybuck - 3Dmark 2001 - 16738 marks (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8367144); HardwArena Turkiye - 3Dmark 2001 - 17278 marks (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8248075). Is it a cheating? I hope that everybody here understands: YES! Should something be done to fix that problem? The answer is YES! It's up to YOU, the hwbot.org Crew Members, to decide what exactly should be done. I hope You'll find the right way. P.S. I remember the story with Onepagebook here, on hwbot.org. His results were treated hard but equitable, despite he is a true overclocking Legend famous all over the overclocking world. And who is Brandubuck? As for me - just a cheating guy. Hope that he'll get a fair punishment. Probably the Turks will try to be smart (as IMHO some other guys did here) and say that somebody from other team created the two bots to discredit their team leader.. Don't they know each other? Aren't they able to moderate their own results?... P.P.S. I think that subteams should be prohibited on hwbot at all - it will be a little bit easier to moderate the results for You, the hwbot.org Crew, and to help You for us, benchmarkers who support Fair Play principles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxi Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Thanks cyclone, we are looking into this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Yeap, we're aware of the situation. Thanks for the heads up, Cyclone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ac|dd Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 My team very very Fast old scools!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew stummerwinter Posted June 30, 2008 Crew Share Posted June 30, 2008 Question to the hwbot-Team: Is this in accordance with the Team-run-rules: BenchBros are Kabauterman (David), TschernoBill (Manuel), loopy83 (Andi) Source And have their own account: loopy83 Kabeuterman Tschernobill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenchBros Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Question to the hwbot-Team: Is this in accordance with the Team-run-rules: BenchBros are Kabauterman (David), TschernoBill (Manuel), loopy83 (Andi) Source And have their own account: loopy83 Kabeuterman Tschernobill I have transfered all my global ranked scores to the BenchBros account, loopy does the same, and TschernoBill has no great scores... whats the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teurorist Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 no problem any more but it was one but i have a idea why we don't make a registration with personal informations like name photo (only the Mods can see ) and may be a scan ore picture of the identity card something like a real liga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew stummerwinter Posted July 1, 2008 Crew Share Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) I'm just asking (and some more people), because it seems rules are not quite clear... I have transfered all my global ranked scores to the BenchBros account,loopy does the same, and TschernoBill has no great scores... And, here three examples, where global points are not removed: Edited July 1, 2008 by stummerwinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenchBros Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Manuel (TschernoBill) is only a good friend, he don't realy belongs to BenchBros. We only test his Grafixcards once time... 0.4 Points are realy much, sorry I remove this score... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westsider Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) i think its nonsence if somebody has 295GTX and he ist the only one who has it he benches it and gives the card to his teammates who bench it with own hardware what if some team doesnt have so much money or sponsor? it is not important which 295 would it be if a new one or the same one i think if benchers are different there is no porblem with card of course if i volt mode some VGA bench it and share with team mates thats not OK but for default hardware ,i think there schould be no problem about that for example i am in germany and my teammates are in georgia i can buy here any hardware ,bench it and give back without explainig of any reasons in 14 days they cant do it i am sorry but i dont have pc shop like some concurents here and i have no god damned sponsor i get better hardware here and they are just struggling if i were there and i were the only one with money i wouldnt voltmod VGA i would bench it with my brain and skills and give them if they can reach better results thats not a crime because even if they buy a new VGA ,results will be the same do you understand me? it has with skills to do it doesnt have something with too much money to do OC skills,tweak techik,cooling skills benching skills you must know your hardware as your 10 fingers to take the max out of it what do u think guys? otherwise its impossible to control something like this nobody can ever prove it with 100% Edited February 26, 2009 by westsider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 it is not important which 295 would it be if a new one or the same one It IS important which card it is, what if it's a good one? It's far from fair that a whole team will benefit of one single user's purchased card. i can buy here any hardware ,bench it and give back without explainig of any reasons in 14 daysthey cant do it If HW is cheaper/more accessible in Germany theycan send you cash so you can buy GPUs for them if they can't get it in Georgia. because even if they buy a new VGA ,results will be the same The results are NOT the same with every VGA, some clock better than others. In the end, the results won't be the same either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Westsider, If I have an 8.2GHz cpu and take the world record here, would you like me to send it to my 154 team mates and let them all have a go on LN2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westsider Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 nope fore sure but if you have gotta for example 260 GTX which does just normal clocks and u arent using some special cooling in such case would be Ok if you give your card away i mean ,we should divide the golden hardware and normal hardware i think its not about whos gotta more money here,is it? i think its about ,whos gotta skills and techniks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I don't quite get why everyone has to compete with the most expensive hardware, you can still have loads of fun with cheap gear:rolleyes: HWBoints exist for a reason lol. Sure it should be about skill, but there's no skill in getting the good hw if someone more or less throw it into your hands;) And what if you're in a team that doesn't like sharing their i7 965's to a dozen people they barely know? Then that's unfair, as the scores are then dependant on your team's willingness to share their parts - which is even worse than having a system where "skill" is a little bit money dependant. (I say a little bit, as you dont need more than an e8600 + p45 to compete in both superpi and pifast, or a cedar mill to compete in the cpuz ranking). ...and if you use your money wisely you WILL get the money to afford an expensive card from time to time. If not, then you must make VERY little money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstru Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 If not, then you must make VERY little money. Careful with such remarks, there are places in the world where a GTX295 costs twice as much compared to the medium salary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Careful with such remarks, there are places in the world where a GTX295 costs twice as much compared to the medium salary... Then that IS very little money. Not saying it is because you're stupid or lazy that these people's incomes are low... However, is it THAT bad in Georgia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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