Poorya_lion Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) It is not none of my business and personally I didn't meet Mr. Don Corleone at all and we are not even talk too each other any time and some guys in Iran think even we are enemy !!! But I have to say he is a respective OverClocker in Iran and I think calling him cheater is a shame. From what I see in the staff section, it seems this was an accident more than a deliberate attempt at faul play. Nobody said you were cheating. This does not apply to your case at all. Pieter do you remember in past MOAs what was HWBOT action about suspicious results??? I won't name but I actually remember you ask them for rebench after competition closed(Like two Brazilian OCers) !!! So if you really think that there was not any purpose and cheating why don't you let him rebench and give him another try on that 2 benches ? Won't that be more fair like what you've done in past? Edited August 17, 2014 by Poorya_lion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) That was a different situation, Poorya. In the situation you are referring to, there was no question about the validity of the scores. //edit. The situation with the scores is clear. For the 3DMark03 score the link is missing and for the Unigine Heaven we can see in the log files that it was not ran at default settings. There's no doubt that the 3DMark03 is a fully legit score, but the competition requires specifically a valid verification link. I feel your pain, but these are just the rules . Edited August 16, 2014 by Massman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Vivi Posted August 16, 2014 Crew Share Posted August 16, 2014 It's always good to make some early submissions in the competition to make sure your scores are valid and the validations work before you are disappointed in the last five minutes. don corleon matrix rnd had truly awesome overclocks on the GPU, it's a pity the submissions were a bit wishy washy, hopefully see them next time fully prepared! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Corleone- Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Thanks Pooria. You actually know better how difficult to OC in Iran and compete in such a high level and even set WR but... Hwbot staff always calls to have OC community bigger and bigger worldwide but what they do not shows that. If you know about situation here (a 290x lightning costs half of annual salary of a government employed person) you might give us more respect not this... Before submitting my results in final hour my team mates told me that they (hwbot staff) will be against your score and now i see they were right. In the past years many of my results got reported cause nobody believes an Iranian could and should do a record. I just wanted a chance to rebench in live stream. I have submitted my results in the right time and i dont want to have a new score. If you doubt my results i will rebench. Everyone got chance to have livestream unless photoshopping confirmed or score is impossible. And look at Hwbot Unigine Heaven rules. What it says? Which one of this happens in this score? Disallowed tweaks/cheats Mipmap Any software or human interaction altering the perceived speed of the benchmark program, tricking it to believe it ran faster Wireframe hacks: any software or driver causing a benchmark program not (properly) render the textures Rendered image differs too much from the original due to other software tweaking Allowed optimisations Driver settings finetuning Tesselation tweaking Tesselation tweak is ok? Looks like its not ok in fact. You are not obeying your rules. Why tweaking 01 to get 5k more is ok but heaven not?? Ok, looks like no iranian should have a place in finals. So congrats to new qualified persons. Enjoy your Nationality Remember, i just wanted chance to reproduce that scores and you dont give it And i am sorry for my team mates who supported me very well. You deserve more respect and looks like could not done enough to qualify and make you happy. Goodbye hwbot Edited August 16, 2014 by Don_Corleone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der8auer Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) When I first saw your score I was really excited that someone from Iran would make it to MOA. I have a lot of respect for what you guys manage to do over there. However we have to be strict with the rules and apply the same to everyone. Same goes to the rule about a live rebench. We only requested that in the past if the results were valid but either suspicious or hardware sharing involved. In your case the results are not valid so there is nothing we can do. Belive me I'm really sorry about that. Edit: I recall: Tesselation tweaking is related to the driver tesselation. It has never been allowed to change the benchmark itself. That's why you see "use default settings" on top of the rules. Edited August 16, 2014 by der8auer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikecdm Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Before submitting my results in final hour my team mates told me that they (hwbot staff) will be against your score and now i see they were right. This point right here doesn't really sit well. Why would someone think that people would be against "totally valid" scores? For someone to think that, they must either know something is wrong, be it deliberately or inadvertently. All experienced overclockers should have an idea of what scores you should get at given clocks. When a score seems out of line, any experienced person should know it. With that being said, anyone that has been keeping up with unigine heaven lately or that has been following the MOA qualifiers would know that the older 13.11 drivers don't score as well as the newer 14.6 drivers. It seems that at some point, someone realized that the score was off and that people would question it's validity, which is what ended up happening. Don't get me wrong, the clocks were amazing and had that result been done with 14.6 drivers or newer, I don't think anyone would have questioned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Thanks for the explanation, Roman. I agree with both yours- and Sam's conclusion that sandbagging led to this. I was just repulsed by other respected veteran overclockers on how easy they throw a 'cheater' accusation around. Just a little note. Like what tiborrr said never call anyone cheater so easily.I am so sorry for some overclockers that calling me a cheater. Just remember that i was in hwbot before some of you even know about hwbot. And i sorry for hwbot staff that before asking me a live stream or anything like it, removed my results and letting others think i am a cheater. Thank you... I am still insisting that both my results are valid. And that ####ing 03 could not detect my systeminfo version. I have a video and i will upload it here (sry but my internet is limited at around 128K) that shows even by installing a 4.29 system info it says your system info is old! So what i could do? The stupid benchmark does not detect system info 4.29 and detect it as 3.7. What is my fault here? Please do not mix up the case of cyclone with your case! Nobody said you were cheating. This does not apply to your case at all. Just so that we're clear, I wasn't accusing Don since I didn't know the situation clearly, however photoshopping is clear manipulation and is definite cheating. If the result is clearly photoshopped and was trying to deceivingly gain an advantage then the user should be banned from competitions for a specific amount of time which would be discussed by the admins, I would personally say they should forget about MOA 2015 if that's true. Not trying to start a lynch mob just trying to point out what should be clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehdi_FXX Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) thank you all who Understanding specially Poorya Mike: there is no very different between 13.1 and 14.6 at least for us! it`s not good reason. That was a different situation, Poorya. In the situation you are referring to, there was no question about the validity of the scores. I`m sorry but i can only say this different situation is because of our country. It`s OK, OC WW added to it I try but can`t forget and will not forget what you do in last years, you exactly know my mean. I thought after meeting between you and corleone in EMEA 2011 you rly changed! you are Hwbot Administrator and know very well Corleone don`t use any Disallowed tweaks such: Mipmap Any software or human interaction altering the perceived speed of the benchmark program, tricking it to believe it ran faster Wireframe hacks: any software or driver causing a benchmark program not (properly) render the textures Rendered image differs too much from the original due to other software tweaking last words: it over of us but "PLEASE" for next year choose correct benchmark like 3DM fire strike or 3DM11 that have good validition with out problem not your benchmark with a lot of bug! same about cpu..... spi now has 20 years old and have not valid! I Hope you Guys never have Experience of OC with same situation in Iran, "but it`s my biggest honor that Iran with all of problems is rock standing at #11 in Country League, in other hands my Nationality should be my proude and another causes is Hiwa Great Persian originally overclocker" this is World Wide Overclocking League and Iran has no place there! OK I accept it like Don Good Luck all in Grand Final Edited August 16, 2014 by Mehdi_FXX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 thank you all who Understanding specially Poorya Mike: there is no very different between 13.1 and 14.6 at least for us! it`s not good reason. I`m sorry but i can only say this different situation is because of our country. It`s OK, OC WW added to it I try but can`t forget and will not forget what you do in last years, you exactly know my mean. I thought after meeting between you and corleone in EMEA 2011 you rly changed! you are Hwbot Administrator and know very well Corleone don`t use any Disallowed tweaks such: Mipmap Any software or human interaction altering the perceived speed of the benchmark program, tricking it to believe it ran faster Wireframe hacks: any software or driver causing a benchmark program not (properly) render the textures Rendered image differs too much from the original due to other software tweaking last words: it over of us but "PLEASE" for next year choose correct benchmark like 3DM fire strike or 3DM11 that have good validition with out problem not your benchmark with a lot of bug! same about cpu..... spi now has 20 years old and have not valid! I Hope you Guys never have Experience of OC with same situation in Iran, "but it`s my biggest honor that Iran with all of problems is rock standing at #11 in Country League, in other hands my Nationality should be my proude and another causes is Hiwa Great Persian originally overclocker" this is World Wide Overclocking League and Iran has no place there! OK I accept it like Don Good Luck all in Grand Final I'm really confused and maybe it's because I'm still quite new around here, but what is all this talk about the OC scene being against Iran? As far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter where you're from, we all have the same rules, we all compete in the same league so we all get treated the same? If this isn't the case then I'd like an explanation as to why this is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiwa Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 You Persian guys are rock, if you had half of support we have you were all in top 5... Shame on that stupid government. Hope you guys never stop overclocking and I really hope to see you in top all the time, hwbot is not the only place to show your best. I know all adminds here.. They are good people and they try to help ocers don't be mad on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Trouffman Posted August 16, 2014 Crew Share Posted August 16, 2014 ObscurePradix you are right. It is NOT against any countries or people but a matter of rules. I think there is a misbelief rhregarding previous events and a confusion was made. Anyhow rules are rules and hwbot judges and cinpetituon judges are independant in their jidge role. Rules are rules and MSI is making them, in accordance with hwvot (to my understanding). In the end it is only aboit a rule that this came to a score being unauthorised. As said sometimes it is buggy run but rules are quite mature nowdays : "run at default settings" was one of them. Also conpetition are worldwide and the dimension of personal perspective or country gdp, ease of acces etc doesn't play into this.. because it is way too subjective. I'm sad too to not see a middles east ocer but well.. same a we dont see any swedish, or talian (even if many particpate) Hope tgis case is understood correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy-The-Kid Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) I don´t understand why all the confusion.... what´s hapen in gunslinger score from MOA AM, now it´s the same!!! Same problem same solution in 3dmark03 score... on heaven don´t use default setting no dob´s!! Edited August 16, 2014 by Billy-The-Kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacho_arroyo Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Very bad/sad situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) Ok.. the reason I gave to the staff seems to be the most common one may think about, so let it 'be'. 've got quite predictable feedback way as a piece of a puzzle for myself. Time to re-build some relations till 2014 is my huge personal checkpoint. I'm really sorry for making troubles here inside the community but I'm also happy about HWBOT team carefully inspecting the results at least for validity. With no argues to the staff, no regret from my side and without silly disproof attempts. I knew what I was doing and I believe it was necessary. Don't dramatize the situation.. better look on it within a different point and think a bit. My reputation has been built for years, tons of money and took a huge piece of my life. Ppl especially in Ukraine can tell more. It is considered to be priceless and not worthy just a single MOA ticket or a free HW bundle that can be sold afterwards. If it is damaged hard now in your eyes - no problems, it's up to you guys and this is understandable. Prolly we'll talk more somewhen. Okay I'm going down to a well-deserved ban now. Good luck! Edited August 17, 2014 by cyclone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 No remorse. Very interesting angle for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Vivi Posted August 17, 2014 Crew Share Posted August 17, 2014 I forgive you cyclone, hope to see you smashing gpu scores with those massive ukraine clocks you always got! (But with a validation file ofcourse, haha joke!) Gooodluck with life man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 zero remorse for an action that could have put genuine people out of the competition all together if it wasn't spotted. Very unimpressed and have zero respect for an answer like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Vivi Posted August 17, 2014 Crew Share Posted August 17, 2014 No one can get passed christian ney. Even my mom was super impressed when i told her about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Has anyone got a picture of the validation at all. I'd be curious to see where it was they caught out the photoshopping since I've not seen the image myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 No, they are evidence It's classified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 checksum was wrong as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 checksum was wrong as well I imagined that was the way they found out in the first place but was just curious really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Ney is a beast lurking in the dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Well when are the finals have to ask my Boss for holiday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der8auer Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 18th and 19th of October Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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