masterbitz Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 greetings, I would ask whether here in the competition may be used several intel processors, as I see that a competitor has used 2 different processors ??????????????????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taloken Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course you can ^^ For example, XTU top scores will be with good 4790K or 5820/5930K, but G3258 will dominate Hwbot Prime stage as usual ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Do we know the stages of the 3D part of the competition ? Did I read somewhere IGP ??? COME ON.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I have to insist on my question. I would like to know the 3D part of the competition stages and hardware. IGP, if it applies, is simply...well, ridiculous. Overclocking IGP is actually playing with BCLK and GT voltages. This CAN'T be considered a 3D competition. It relies to the processor ability to overclock, and to which extent IGP. It is solely a motherboard and processor issue and not knowledge and overclocking capability of any user on any specific graphics card. If it is true, it is really a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepinorang Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) I have to insist on my question. I would like to know the 3D part of the competition stages and hardware. IGP, if it applies, is simply...well, ridiculous.Overclocking IGP is actually playing with BCLK and GT voltages. This CAN'T be considered a 3D competition. It relies to the processor ability to overclock, and to which extent IGP. It is solely a motherboard and processor issue and not knowledge and overclocking capability of any user on any specific graphics card. If it is true, it is really a shame. No need to use bold caracters and be agressive... Benchmarks will be revealed at a later date and YES, 3D Battle for Ambient is IGP. Overclocking GPU is actually playing with frequencies and vGPU/vRAM, no difference. 3D benchmarks are 3D, no matter you run them on GPU or IGP. Ambient users tipically don't wish and/or can't afford to invest extra money in the setup they most likely use 24/7 only for an online competition. What would really be a shame is to force them to buy a specific graphic card. Edited August 11, 2015 by pepinorang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 No need to use bold caracters and be agressive... Benchmarks will be revealed at a later date and YES, 3D Battle for Ambient is IGP. Overclocking GPU is actually playing with frequencies and vGPU/vRAM, no difference. 3D benchmarks are 3D, no matter you run them on GPU or IGP. Ambient users tipically don't wish and/or can't afford to invest extra money in the setup they most likely use 24/7 only for an online competition. What would really be a shame is to force them to buy a specific graphic card. No sir. I am not aggressive. 5820K/5930K/5960X do not have IGP at all. Have you ever seen a single submission even from a rookie with IGP ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frantik Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Can't upload HWbot prime result due to ''The CPU load temperature must be higher than 20°C'' although temp is higher Why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frantik Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 ok solved...i put it manually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cssorkinmanOCN Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I take it that the use of any means to cool the heatsink, radiator etc other than the ambient air is prohibited in the ambient 2d comp ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3TAl Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hey cssorkinman. My understanding is ice bath is allowed... Just need load temps over 20C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raules009 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 @pepinorang stage 3 I have to add the link ? http://hwbot.org/submission/2948268 http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3202823 but does not see the model and the bios of the motherboard ? Model Unknown Motherboard Unknown BIOS void thanks raul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hey cssorkinman. My understanding is ice bath is allowed... Just need load temps over 20C. ...Or a water chiller or an ss adjusted to show temps just over 20 load. Yeap...ambient. Mods say play by the rules... Only these rules have a very high and wide interpretation range. I see submissions with max load temps of 20 degrees, of a 4790K running at 5.2ghz with 1.575 Vcore. This means idle is way below -30 or -40. Ambient my ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 No need to use bold caracters and be agressive... Benchmarks will be revealed at a later date and YES, 3D Battle for Ambient is IGP. Overclocking GPU is actually playing with frequencies and vGPU/vRAM, no difference. 3D benchmarks are 3D, no matter you run them on GPU or IGP. Ambient users tipically don't wish and/or can't afford to invest extra money in the setup they most likely use 24/7 only for an online competition. What would really be a shame is to force them to buy a specific graphic card. MSI and HWBOT have the right to make the rules as they like. But.. When you allow on 2D the use of any processor and even multiple processors, ranging from 60 to 1200$, why don't you allow similarly the use of any card on 3D ? Just a rhetoric question. Some decisions are way out of any rationalism. Don't bother answering man... I quit the competition. There are people already running Single stage on processors at -30 idle and 20 load, and think that others are either stupid or blind. And all the sensitivity and "no expense" idea for 3D is IGP. Yeah, sure. HAPPY COMPETITION EVERYONE !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cssorkinmanOCN Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I appreciate the replies metal, george, hoping a hwbot official would pop in and have a little clarification for me. Just want a fair chance to compete, if it's anything goes as long as you show a load temp of 20 C then so be it, if it's no using any means other than ambient air that's fine too. Great sponsors, great prizes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3TAl Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Too bad I don't have access to anything that would give a huge help with temps, just good ole fashioned custom water with high ambient temps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raules009 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 MSI and HWBOT have the right to make the rules as they like.But.. When you allow on 2D the use of any processor and even multiple processors, ranging from 60 to 1200$, why don't you allow similarly the use of any card on 3D ? Just a rhetoric question. Some decisions are way out of any rationalism. Don't bother answering man... I quit the competition. There are people already running Single stage on processors at -30 idle and 20 load, and think that others are either stupid or blind. And all the sensitivity and "no expense" idea for 3D is IGP. Yeah, sure. HAPPY COMPETITION EVERYONE !!! if you're referring to me saying they use single stage you're wrong . I also have several backups with my g3258 this is what I did in the competition asus without delid http://img.hwbot.org/u45698/image_id_1449623.jpg now with delid I managed to do a lot more , I did 5,2ghz with only 1.55volt temp min 30 max 58 using ice water . I can also post videos . but I believe that you have not thought of something , maybe just maybe hwbotprime records the minimum and maximum temperature automatically so as XTU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) if you're referring to me saying they use single stage you're wrong .I also have several backups with my g3258 this is what I did in the competition asus without delid http://img.hwbot.org/u45698/image_id_1449623.jpg now with delid I managed to do a lot more , I did 5,2ghz with only 1.55volt temp min 30 max 58 using ice water . I can also post videos . but I believe that you have not thought of something , maybe just maybe hwbotprime records the minimum and maximum temperature automatically so as XTU You are terribly wrong to make assumptions like this. And I am not referring only to the competition. I repeat : As the rules say, max load temps should be 20+. I do not make the rules. In order to have 20 max at full blast either with a 4790K or a G3258, both running above 5ghz, one must have idle temps -30. I do not consider this ambient competition. Either a powerful water chiller is needed or an SS calibrated to allow 20+. It is simple math man. Since you posted - You have a submission with a G3258 running at 5100 I think, with max temps 20-23 on each core respectively. Unless your HWmonitor image lies. What am I to believe ? Ice water ? Maybe, if the ice water was at -30 and your pump can handle such low temps....OK. What I am saying, on a broader basis, is that I do not consider this ambient. Most rookies and Novice players do not have any idea, yet, of what we are talking about. I respect them. And when I compete I do it with plain water and a loop. Or an AIO. I have a piotres cascade with -114 idle on a 400W dummy load and -93 at full blast on a 5960X running at 5.7ghz. I also have two Piotres water chillers. I DO NOT USE THEM WHEN THE COMPETION SAYS "AMBIENT". Wikipedia : Ambient condition of operation = Equal or above ambient temperature. That is all. HWbot may consider ambient otherwise. And the specific MSI completion says 3D with IGP. Maybe it is just me, but all this is so grey, like a cloudy day with lots of fog. So I am out, only for the respect I owneto the other players, who indeed fight with ambient means ( the vast majority of them ). For the hell of it, I can install my cascade on the 4790K and the G3258, calibrate it to load temps of 20 and get my 4790K at 5.5ghz. I suppose you would like that, and not only you. Respect to all. Edited August 16, 2015 by george.kokovinis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 As the rules say, max load temps should be 20+. I do not make the rules. In order to have 20 max at full blast either with a 4790K or a G3258, both running above 5ghz, one must have idle temps -30. I do not consider this ambient competition. Either a powerful water chiller is needed or an SS calibrated to allow 20+. :woot: :celebration: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raules009 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 You are terribly wrong to make assumptions like this. And I am not referring only to the competition. I repeat : As the rules say, max load temps should be 20+. I do not make the rules. In order to have 20 max at full blast either with a 4790K or a G3258, both running above 5ghz, one must have idle temps -30. I do not consider this ambient competition. Either a powerful water chiller is needed or an SS calibrated to allow 20+. It is simple math man. Since you posted - You have a submission with a G3258 running at 5100 I think, with max temps 20-23 on each core respectively. Unless your HWmonitor image lies. What am I to believe ? Ice water ? Maybe, if the ice water was at -30 and your pump can handle such low temps....OK. What I am saying, on a broader basis, is that I do not consider this ambient. Most rookies and Novice players do not have any idea, yet, of what we are talking about. I respect them. And when I compete I do it with plain water and a loop. Or an AIO. I have a piotres cascade with -114 idle on a 400W dummy load and -93 at full blast on a 5960X running at 5.7ghz. I also have two Piotres water chillers. I DO NOT USE THEM WHEN THE COMPETION SAYS "AMBIENT". Wikipedia : Ambient condition of operation = Equal or above ambient temperature. That is all. HWbot may consider ambient otherwise. And the specific MSI completion says 3D with IGP. Maybe it is just me, but all this is so grey, like a cloudy day with lots of fog. So I am out, only for the respect I owneto the other players, who indeed fight with ambient means ( the vast majority of them ). For the hell of it, I can install my cascade on the 4790K and the G3258, calibrate it to load temps of 20 and get my 4790K at 5.5ghz. I suppose you would like that, and not only you. Respect to all. you can do it but know that you will find, and very easy to integrate into the program the recording of the temperature during the benchmark (in my file that is used to validate the test hwbotprime has already integrated temperature control but I can be wrong) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3TAl Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 you can do it but know that you will find, and very easy to integrate into the program the recording of the temperature during the benchmark (in my file that is used to validate the test hwbotprime has already integrated temperature control but I can be wrong) It is possible HWMonitor glitched out. I know when doing Geekbench my HWiNFO64 glitches out alot and shows cores with a max temp of around 40C when in reality it's more like 70C. CPU Package does show the correct temp however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raules009 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) @pepinorang stage 3 I have to add the link ? http://hwbot.org/submission/2948268 http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3202823 but does not see the model and the bios of the motherboard ? Model Unknown Motherboard Unknown BIOS void it is OK ? or you should see the model motherboard bios in the validation link ? thanks raul Edited August 17, 2015 by raules009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 19, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 19, 2015 Hi Raul - No problem that the validation link does not show full info, you have complete screenshot including results and launch window that shows mainboard used - valid comp score for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xobonesox Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Man when I saw this MSI challenge for Ambient users I got excited because I thought id actually be able to compete using fans and my AIO or custom water system but after seeing the top resulted using ice bucks and other deceives to cool there cpus down passed 20C before the load temperatures there's no way for me to keep pushing my setup =/ but I tried hopefully the 3D wont be so hard =p p.s. if they really wanted to give people who don't have extra parts and money a chance they should have said idle temps had to be above 25C good luck everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3TAl Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 GG on 2D everybody, seems a lot of people held onto their subs until the last minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvidiaforever2 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 hi , i've seen some submissions with hwmonitor only showing idle temp . Is is allowed ? In fact hwmonitor wasn' t even open while benching . They opened it just for the screenshot . How is it possible to monitor load temperature then ? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.