raules009 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 hi , i've seen some submissions with hwmonitor only showing idle temp .Is is allowed ? In fact hwmonitor wasn' t even open while benching . They opened it just for the screenshot . How is it possible to monitor load temperature then ? thanks I agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 hi , i've seen some submissions with hwmonitor only showing idle temp .Is is allowed ? In fact hwmonitor wasn' t even open while benching . They opened it just for the screenshot . How is it possible to monitor load temperature then ? thanks Greetings my friend. Here is my answer about the competition and its organizers : :banana::banana::banana::nana::nana::nana: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I agree with you In my poor country we have a saying : " Do not speak of a rope in the house of a hanged person " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Man when I saw this MSI challenge for Ambient users I got excited because I thought id actually be able to compete using fans and my AIO or custom water system but after seeing the top resulted using ice bucks and other deceives to cool there cpus down passed 20C before the load temperatures there's no way for me to keep pushing my setup =/ but I tried hopefully the 3D wont be so hard =p p.s. if they really wanted to give people who don't have extra parts and money a chance they should have said idle temps had to be above 25C good luck everyone :celebration::celebration::celebration: It is the whole concept of redefining what is ambient and what is not. Seems EVERYTHING is ambient except LN2. LMAO !!! MM, are you reading any of this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvidiaforever2 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 First there was a cooling restriction . Now it is a temperature limit . I like it better but 20°C load is too low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 20, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 20, 2015 Criticism on temp limit is OK, but rules are same for everyone - we will consider the Input though, but I benched more than 10 years and I can tell you that it is not hard to manipulate "idle temperature". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Criticism on temp limit is OK, but rules are same for everyone - we will consider the Input though, but I benched more than 10 years and I can tell you that it is not hard to manipulate "idle temperature". I have been benching ( not here ) for twenty years. A lot of other things can also be manipulated very easily. Rules are inadequate and foggy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 20, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 20, 2015 I moderated the extreme part of this comp today, and there was nothing inadequate or foggy - because ther is not temp and no cooling limit. Maybe you should consider to use your enormous experience and move up to XOC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I moderated the extreme part of this comp today, and there was nothing inadequate or foggy - because ther is not temp and no cooling limit. Maybe you should consider to use your enormous experience and move up to XOC Of course there is nothing foggy when anything is allowed. "Strange" things happen, when limitations are applied, which : 1) Can not be 100% checked or controlled, but to the eye of the experienced user, they shout "cheat" 2) When the imposed rules and limitations have as a basis a parameter called "ethics", which is not obviously understood by some. Sure, some slack is ok, but such profound "mad in the face" is not ok. As for me, I reserve the right to compete in any category, except ELITE. I started as a rookie, novice and enthusiast. Holding several world records here, especially in 3D, with water use, right among the LN2 users, and most of the times, in the first ten worldwide, cooling irrelevant. Be sure that when the right time comes, XOC will come:) Discussion is not about me. It is about improving the rules and the interpretation of what is ambient and what is not. Have a look ( sneak peak ) at the 3D ambient MSI competition. There are three submissions. All should be deleted. Why ? Not igp. I said it before and I will say it again. Most inexperienced users do not know even what igp is, moreover how to overclock it. In your ten years here, have you ever seen a 3D submission with igp ? For heaven shake man:celebration: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 20, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 20, 2015 On the IGP-issue - contact MSI - I would not have chosen this as well for a comp like this - but please take in, if MSI would have asked for a highly expensive videocard result by, for example 980TI MSI or a 970 or whatever, criticism that money dominates comp would have been real big On general rules for EL comps, we have to live with the limits, you know it as good as I do. Temps are hard to control when you have an online competition, as well as some other issue. Sure we see suspicious results, we sometimes ask for proof then including video stream for example. So, we also count for ethics and wait for the mistakes of the people who don´t have these Enjoy the competition, as said before, a lot is compromize on rules but we tried to find a balance. Maybe not always successful :celebration: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 On the IGP-issue - contact MSI - I would not have chosen this as well for a comp like this - but please take in, if MSI would have asked for a highly expensive videocard result by, for example 980TI MSI or a 970 or whatever, criticism that money dominates comp would have been real bigOn general rules for EL comps, we have to live with the limits, you know it as good as I do. Temps are hard to control when you have an online competition, as well as some other issue. Sure we see suspicious results, we sometimes ask for proof then including video stream for example. So, we also count for ethics and wait for the mistakes of the people who don´t have these Enjoy the competition, as said before, a lot is compromize on rules but we tried to find a balance. Maybe not always successful :celebration: :woot: :celebration::celebration::celebration: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xobonesox Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 define IGP for them then because i didn't know what it was until you said something about it and now i know it stands for Integrated Graphics Processor which is found on the cpu and can be used by connecting your monitor to your motherboard not a graphics card.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3TAl Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I thought we were all hardware enthusiasts here? People really don't know what IGP is? These are technically APU's after all. I do agree benching IGP is kind of... odd. Literally never touched the IGP in my life. Will be an interesting learning experience for sure, just here to have some fun and learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 MM, are you reading any of this ? I read everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvTK Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Please, fix point sums and rankings in both Ambient and Extreme categories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cssorkinmanOCN Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Thanks to hwbot and the sponsors for the comp. GG to the participants and congrats to the winners! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arhaam Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 hi,, i'm just check competition page on stage 2, seems like my submission have been removed, do i make any mistake for that stage ? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 26, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 26, 2015 SPD tab is mandatory to show that retail memory was used according to the rules and you forgot it, like several other people. No choice for me but to remove the score from competition. This is why I always emphasize that reading the rules carefully (general and stage rules) is important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arhaam Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) just check my SS this morning and i saw 4 cpu-z tab there, spd tab open under hwbot prime tab Edited August 27, 2015 by arhaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 27, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 27, 2015 This is bitter, but too late, and the screenshot is not valid anyway because it wasn´t obtained with integrated hwbotprime screenshot tool but with external capture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bm_eu Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 What happened to the last results I posted? I was in 6th place. Everything has requested was there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bm_eu Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Checking my user profile I can see the geekbench score I posted a few hours before the end of the contest: http://hwbot.org/submission/2953697_bm_eu_geekbench3___single_core_core_i5_4670k_5100_points I saw this score in the leaderboard. Is there anything wrong with this submission? The score I submitted to Hwbot Prime is completely missing. I even received an email saying it was "checked by a moderator" (Christian Ney): http://hwbot.org/submission/2933262_bm_eu_hwbot_prime_pentium_g3258_4055.51_pps Is there anything wrong with this submission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 27, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) You call an empty spd tab proof? Proof of what? - sorry, if you choose wrong slot for showing spd, a slot where no stick is inserted, you provide zero information and can only blame yourself that your score was removed. You left me no choice. And btw, I am a bit tired of people not reading the rules, providing wrong or zero information and then complaining - if spd is not shown by cpuz, you can as well use Aida, this was XP solution for Xtreme Battle P.S. It is for sure no fun to remove and block scores, I am bencher myself and hate to see work and effort going to waste. Second point is, it causes time consuming work to block and remove scores, much more than just to check and give OK. So don´t be angry, but I am not too fond of killing more of my time by discussing the obvious Edited August 27, 2015 by websmile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bm_eu Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 You are absolutely right. I feel like bashing my head strongly against the wall. I did try to put one last HwBot Prime score on the last minute, but the site wasn’t showing the option to input temps, so I couldn’t validate that entry into the contest: [br] [/br] [br][/br] Since the score wasn’t going to grant me a higher leaderboard I didn’t stress about it. That one has the SPD tab on the right slot. Guess that’s a mistake I’ll never repeat again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arhaam Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 oke noted that,,, thanks websmile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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