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Some guys already know about that for a while already but I figured I would post this here as well. :)

HOW-TO run FULL pot on MSI:

 

- Follow Dancop's guide for prepartion and handling: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=154112

- Use PCH slot (in HOT V2 BIOS there is a bug that disable PCH slot when onboard LAN is disabled so don't forget to enable LAN after loading LN2 profile or you will get D6 post code, I'll have this fixed asap)

 

Depending on CPU you will need:

- Between 1.7v~2.4v CPU PLL

- Between 1.7v~2.78v CPU PLL OC

 

Verified on ~10 CPUs with XA, Dancop, Orion24, Zzolio, Wizerty and Bullshooter, all CPUs were running full pot with no issues with the right settings.

I'll be back soon with settings to run full pot on CPU PCI-E slots.

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Some progress from MSI on B-die clocks
Big progress^^

 

It has ALWAYS been like that guys, YOU just don't try and blindly follow the rest of the crowd! :P

Just look at the BIOS version (130) it's bunnying oooooold! So far best 32M/XTU aircooled results I have seen on MSI are:

 

Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE + E-DIE = 4000 12-18-18

Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE + B-DIE = 4000 12-12-12 / 3960 12-11-11

Z170I GAMING PRO + E-DIE = 4133 12-19-19

Z170I GAMING PRO + B-DIE = 4133 12-12-12

 

Also go look at the memory QVL of each vendors, MSI has the BEST memory compatibility on Z170 & X99, no matter the board you compare.

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Some guys already know about that for a while already but I figured I would post this here as well. :)

HOW-TO run FULL pot on MSI:

 

- Follow Dancop's guide for prepartion and handling: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=154112

- Use PCH slot (in HOT V2 BIOS there is a bug that disable PCH slot when onboard LAN is disabled so don't forget to enable LAN after loading LN2 profile or you will get D6 post code, I'll have this fixed asap)

 

Depending on CPU you will need:

- Between 1.7v~2.4v CPU PLL

- Between 1.7v~2.78v CPU PLL OC

 

Verified on ~10 CPUs with XA, Dancop, Orion24, Zzolio, Wizerty and Bullshooter, all CPUs were running full pot with no issues with the right settings.

I'll be back soon with settings to run full pot on CPU PCI-E slots.

 

Maybe its a stupid question but what about CBB? Does the mobo apply PLL voltage before post in order to post sub 140C?

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Maybe its a stupid question but what about CBB? Does the mobo apply PLL voltage before post in order to post sub 140C?

 

No it's not stupid and actually interesting.

As far as I know, there is only two ways to apply CPU ST V6/PLL Termination voltage before post in order to lower CBB on Skylake:

A) Embedded Controler

B) Increase stock voltage by hardware

 

As far as I know, only one vendor use the solution A (MSI has an EC but it's used for different purposes).

MSI had an LN2 jumper that use solution B (JLN1, near debug LED).

However, due to differences in PCH quality between pre-launch and post-launch, we stopped using this solution because ~90% of PCH chips produced post-launch can't handle the increase in voltage needed to lower CBB and will refuse to boot when JLN1 is shorted.

 

Thus, CBB on MSI is now the same than other vendors which don't use solution A/B, unless you have an old sample or you binned boards to find a PCH that can handle said voltage increase.

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Memory preset b-die ?

with my ram I can do 3866 CL12 ( Asus impact ), msi Z170 xpower I can not :(

 

It boots easily just by setting 12-12-12-28-220-1T and left the rest auto.

I'll say this once again: You CAN'T compare memory OC on Mini-ITX/2 DIMM boards with ATX T-Topology, they are worlds appart!

A fair comparison would be XPOWER vs M8E vs OCF vs SOC Force or M8I vs MOCF vs Z170I GAMING PRO

 

BDIE6700K.jpg

 

It can be done man...

 

And has been done more than once:

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Benchbros also recently posted several results on XPOWER with B-DIE:

http://hwbot.org/submission/3191899_benchbros_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_6700k_15.75_points

http://hwbot.org/submission/3191903_benchbros_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i7_6700k_27601_points

http://hwbot.org/submission/3191901_benchbros_cinebench___r15_core_i7_6700k_1421_cb

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Hi, I tryed many times, but no changes here.. I change the bclk in the Bios to 110, but when start the windows the bclk is 100...

used Bios 14T and 14U,,,, for non-k cpu's.. clear cmos many times... removed battery... :(

 

I used M-flash and FPT program... :(

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Hi, I tryed many times, but no changes here.. I change the bclk in the Bios to 110, but when start the windows the bclk is 100...

used Bios 14T and 14U,,,, for non-k cpu's.. clear cmos many times... removed battery... :(

 

I used M-flash and FPT program... :(

 

I replied in the other thread already.

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First page updated with latest Softwares and BIOS.

 

New XOC BIOS takes a lot more time than I expected as R&D is busy with next gen, but it will be ready around mid-may at very least.

As I mentioned before, new XOC BIOS will be ACPI compatible, include 15 new memory presets for D-Die/E-Die/B-Die/MFR/AFR and fix ALL the bugs of HOT v2.

In short, it' will be one to rule them all and I doubt another one will be needed until Kabylake or new competitive memory ICs are released. :)

 

For Non-K OC, you can now use OFFICIAL/BETA BIOS, when Non-K CPU will be installed, BIOS will automatically switch to microcode and display an hidden menu named "Beta Runner".

In this menu you have to enable the "NOC" option and your Non-K CPU will fly! ;)

 

BIOS screenshot, courtesy of Der8auer's MSI Z170 Non-K OC Guide:

MSI_SnapShot_03.png

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Actually it is already there, but it seems I cannot get it working:

OC MENU > BETA RUNNER > REAL THREAD

 

Maybe you could try with an XP drive that is already ACPI?

 

sure, i am back home from DRC on Friday night, my Xpower is my last 100% working z170 :eek: will let you know on the weekend

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