The official HWBOT Country Cup 2015 thread.

[micul]

Exactly what you sound like

We follow hw-sharing rules. Isn't the whole idea of country cup to help each other out?

 

HWBot for hardware sharing are a little bit different than what you think they are .

 

 

E – HARDWARE SHARING

 

This in a delicate subject as we have to trust on the honesty of those participating at the HWbot that they are indeed using their own hardware and not sharing a golden sample CPU or VGA card. Let’s start with what is allowed to be shared: everything except:

 

VGA may not be shared for VGA benchmarks.

CPU may not be shared for CPU benchmarks.

Special cases, like what to do with joint bench sessions and manufacturer hardware is explained in the picture below.

 

http://blog.hwbot.org/wp-content/3952208.jpg

While the rules are quite simple and straightforward, enforcing them isn’t. If you are having a joint benchmark session, provide as much proof and information as possible when you submit a new HWBot score, which shows you were using your own hardware for the benchmark in question, a photo with a paper showing your nickname and the product serial number is good way to do this.

 

Since HWBOT does not tolerate the sale of benchmark scores, the act of both selling or buying benchmark scores and uploading them to this database is not allowed. In addition, we strongly believe that no overclocker who is involved in this kind of business should be allowed to be part of the community.

 

4. ETHICS

 

HWBOT is not perfect, neither are the result moderators, nor is any overclocker or benchmarker. Please accept that people can make mistakes and understand that human errors are solved easiest by friendly human interaction. If a certain score seems fishy, you can use the report function to inform the owner of the result and the result moderators. In most cases, there’s only a very minor mistake and the solution to the problem will only take one or two minutes. In some cases, however, there’s more to tell and discuss: that’s what the hwbot forums are for. In the forums you’ll find a vast number of very active crew members trying to respond as quickly as possible (often within half a day) and/or other members who are willing to discuss the issue. As this is a public forum, we would like everyone to behave in a respectful way; flaming, forum wars, personal issues … all those can be discussed via mail or PM, but not in our forums.

 

If a score is reported or blocked and you don’t understand why, please contact one of the result moderators or crew members for an answer. It’s very important to do this in a polite manner, not only because that’s the way human interaction goes most fluently, but also because scientific research has shown evidence that you’re more likely to be helped quickly if you are polite to the person who you’re asking a favor from. It’s in fact pretty simple to understand: if we receive a friendly email, we will be in a friendly mood even before we read the email. Note that we are always open for discussion regarding every aspect of HWBOT: a lot of new ideas and features come forward from a thread on the forums.

 

At HWBOT, we are all for sharing information such as tweaks, voltage modifications and many more. However, we do understand that certain tweaks are rather kept silent because it gives a small advantage over the competition, which can come in handy when competing for that special golden cup. If questions are raised about a certain score or a series of scores, we strongly suggest trying to clear the air as fast as possible; not because of HWBOT or any other member, but to prevent you from getting a bad name in the community (even if you don’t deserve it!). From past experience, we know that when serious questions are raised regarding the legitimacy of a score or overclocker, it’s always best to choose the honorable path by for instance explaining a few tricks or even removing the questioned score from HWBOT.

 

If you are uncertain about the validity of a tweak/cheat, you can always contact one of the crew members. The tweak/cheat will be tested and discussed and you will receive an answer categorized as legit/not legit. If you don’t want the tweak to be leaked, no problem: we guarantee that the tweak will only be shared with those who took part in the evaluation.

Edited December 20, 2015 by micul

[Johan45]

Exactly what you sound like

We follow hw-sharing rules. Isn't the whole idea of country cup to help each other out?

 

I can understand helping someone out like lending the GFX card but those are all on the same system the only difference is the card. That's way too much IMO

[Mr.Scott]

I can understand helping someone out like lending the GFX card but those are all on the same system the only difference is the card. That's way too much IMO

That's totally allowed.

[micul]

That's totally allowed.

 

While the rules are quite simple and straightforward, enforcing them isn’t. If you are having a joint benchmark session, provide as much proof and information as possible when you submit a new HWBot score, which shows you were using your own hardware for the benchmark in question, a photo with a paper showing your nickname and the product serial number is good way to do this.

[Mr.Scott]

While the rules are quite simple and straightforward, enforcing them isn’t. If you are having a joint benchmark session, provide as much proof and information as possible when you submit a new HWBot score, which shows you were using your own hardware for the benchmark in question, a photo with a paper showing your nickname and the product serial number is good way to do this.

I agree, but it's not a requirement.

[micul]

I agree, but it's not a requirement.

 

so

if is not a requirement . i think it means we should follow the general rules right ?

[TASOS]

Congrats to all teams !!!

It was a nice cup.

 

Many thanks to hwbot for this.

 

Thumbs up , to the winning team.

Three in a row (that's a three-peat) ?

Edited December 20, 2015 by TASOS

[Johan45]

That's totally allowed.

 

Makes it pretty hard to tell if it was actually three different people or just one person sharing results.

So I could just go get my neighbour as long as he has his own card he can plop it into my system and run the benchmark, submit it and it's legal?

[Mr.Scott]

so

if is not a requirement . i think it means we should follow the general rules right ?

General rules for CC were followed.

Example:

MR.X

MR.Y

MR.Z

in a joint session, all used MR.X's platform but used their own GPU's. Each subbed with only their own GPU. Totally legal.

[Mr.Scott]

Makes it pretty hard to tell if it was actually three different people or just one person sharing results.

So I could just go get my neighbour as long as he has his own card he can plop it into my system and run the benchmark, submit it and it's legal?

Yes.

This is where 'trust factor' comes into play. It's not a perfect scenario and been brought up many times before.

[Mr.Scott]

Oggy_Dz2 , lanbonden and Kvekan_SWE have wrong screenshoots .

CPUz says they used 2600K but 3dmark06 shows they used pentium III xeon

Report the subs then. Let the mods sort it out. Don't do the lynch mob thing here. This is a public forum.

It only makes you look bad.

[Johan45]

I see what we have to do next year then.

[Mr.Scott]

I see what we have to do next year then.

Yes. The same thing that every other team is and has been doing.

 

FWIW, I have no dog in this race. I'm just trying to help a few friends save some face is all.

[Johan45]

Thanks Scotty for the clarification on the "rules"

[QuickFast]

This is 06 not fire strike where the cpu don't matter

[WhiteWulfe]

Yes. The same thing that every other team is and has been doing.

 

FWIW, I have no dog in this race. I'm just trying to help a few friends save some face is all.

 

So basically, instead of trying to push for HWBot to actually enforce their own rules (and re-write them to be a lot clearer about things), you're just outright saying since at least a few teams are doing it here and there, everyone else should. Yup, instead of going the honourable route you're instead implying everyone should just cheat because a few people you know are being called out for bending the rules a great deal....

[Mr.Scott]

So basically, instead of trying to push for HWBot to actually enforce their own rules (and re-write them to be a lot clearer about things), you're just outright saying since at least a few teams are doing it here and there, everyone else should. Yup, instead of going the honourable route you're instead implying everyone should just cheat because a few people you know are being called out for bending the rules a great deal....

I don't write the rules.

Also, if you do some searching, you'll find that I've been pretty vocal about the rules many many times before.

If you want to blame me, knock yourself out. I'm not the problem. I only offer a solution.

Do what everybody else does.

 

BTW, the few people I know, aren't being called out. They're doing the calling. Sometimes it's good to know who your friends are before you open your trap.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Mr.Scott

[Rasparthe]

Thanks Mr Scott, afraid you are probably right. It would be impossible to prove there was 4 people actually at the helm of the shared hardware which is what makes it suspicious. Lanbonden and Rauf both seem active and reputable members of the community and you have to respect that they wouldn't tarnish both their own personal honor and worldwide reputation with cheating. So, personally I offer them congratulations on the 3rd place finish.

 

As for the rules, I think it needs to be nailed down solidly as to what is legal. If the swedish scores stand for this competition then we can say that it is legal and allowed. For next year it will be way easier to bin one set of WR hardware instead of having everyone use what they have and we will be better prepared. Of course, it burns when you aren't playing on level field because assumptions made about the rules. So I will look forward to the clarification from the moderation staff

[Mr.Scott]

Glad you and Shawn understand where I'm coming from. Right now all your Canadian brothers are hating me hard.

[marc0053]

It was an awesome competition and thanks for hwbot to hosting this wonderful event!

 

This was a great excuse to learn new benches and meet many awesome overclockers in my own country that i had never met before.

 

Last year we were in #22 position and we got to #4 this year which to me is a huge achievement by itself.

 

Looking foward to next year's competition

 

Cheers and Happy Holidays to all!

Marc

[Pulse88]

To be honest i dont think Hwbots intention with these teamcup/countrycup comps evry year its not to have people bashing eatch other about cheating.

 

I Think the reason of these comps to bring team members/ coutry members together as freinds and in the same time get them to learn of eatch other and have some fun. The countrys/teams in the top is the teams who done the team spirit the best.

 

Congrats to all for a god and fun Countrycup.

[Rauf]

Canadians, I know you focus on us because we beat you on the finishline. But look at the aussies. They are very successful because they get together a whole group of people and share knowledge, hw (allowed), OS etc. What was mainly shared on our part was a 2600k system clocked at 5ghz. WR hardware? If you can't beat an old 2600k on watercooling maybe you should look at what you could do better instead of accusing us of cheating.

 

We could have used my 6700k which runs 3d06 at up to 6250 (depending on OS) and that would be allowed. But lets save that for next year

[Dead Things]

It was an awesome competition and thanks for hwbot to hosting this wonderful event!

...

Last year we were in #22 position and we got to #4 this year which to me is a huge achievement by itself.

Yeah, I think we said amongst ourselves going in that we thought we had a shot at Top 5 this year. So to get to #4 is absolutely huge.

 

Like how the silver-medal-winning hockey team feels after losing in the finals, there's some sting to missing Top 3 by such a slim margin at the last moment. But, when we look back at this we'll be nothing but thrilled with our result.

 

edit - And we'll get to look back on this all year long whenever we see the forum sigs of our American friends! And that deserves a w00t w00t!

[bob(nz)]

I had to delete my initial response to some of the comments of the past few hours - wouldn't have been so constructive.

 

It's pretty disappointing reading some of the comments, for the people (person) that thinks we just all got together and benched one platform while just swapping video cards, you need to apply yourself and look a little harder - your comment is absolute rubbish.

 

I like the comments of Pulse88, marc0053 and Deadthings above - this is what the competition is supposed to be about.

 

Setting yourself a challenge to do better the last year, good planning, preparation and communication, and getting together with your mates, to have plenty of fun. Anything else and you are not doing it right!!!!!

 

Thanks to HWBOT and the sponsors for this years competition, it's been a blast, looking forward to 2016

 

Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to all.....

[Taloken]

Australian Open : Jeu Set and Match !

 

 

Congratulations to all countries for this another great edition of Country Cup !

 

 

Podium was our objective of this year, but a 7th place is not so bad in regards of the little means we managed to have this year

 

 

So Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and c u next year !