Massman Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Any updates? Just like @george\.kokovinis I'm having troubles reproducing this bug. With a detailed procedure we can report to Intel and get it fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropluszero Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 @Splave you're up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Pieter, There is an update. I had some free time in the weekend, and decided to give this "Lasso app", a second chance. Well, from my humble side, I can say that Z170 is not affected. I also tried alternate, more aggressive intervention, than what Splave suggested. P95-bench.exe and perftune.exe were added to real time. Nope. Nothing. Of course Splave DID NOT mention Z170 on his initial post, so I would expect his feedback on that. Splave is one of my most respected overclockers here, and when he writes he knows what he is saying. I have to note though that XTU, as everyone knows, takes its measurement in the first 1 and 1/2 seconds of its run. The rest is a stress test based on P95 algorithms. My question is, since the measurement is over BEFORE P95 kicks in, what is the profit of amending P95 to real time with Lasso ? From what I noticed, with Lasso, when P95 kicks in, the blue line ( cpu usage ), remains linear without any ups and downs and cpu usage remains close to 90-95%. Final result is the same though. Maybe older versions of XTU are affected ? Maybe older versions of Windows ? Expecting Splave's respected insight. George:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatBoyNotSoSlim Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I'm still waiting for someone to beat my 62.55ghz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraRaptor Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I think perftune to low priority will help you George. Can you track if PL indeed amends the priority of p95-bench.exe - it should state it in the log. I don't bench modern platforms anymore but I think it is either you doing something wrong or the OS build which is not that much affected with this bug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I think perftune to low priority will help you George. Can you track if PL indeed amends the priority of p95-bench.exe - it should state it in the log. I don't bench modern platforms anymore but I think it is either you doing something wrong or the OS build which is not that much affected with this bug. Thank you for the advice. Indeed PL amends the priority of p95-bench.exe. Nothing more from my side. No tweak expert here. Let the true experts chime in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Island Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 it would suck for people to lose points that worked really hard on there scores and had no clue about this tweak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropluszero Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 it would suck for people to lose points that worked really hard on there scores and had no clue about this tweak. No, it wouldn't suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Island Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 No, it wouldn't suck. maybe not for you, but for people that benched it honestly it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug2507 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Better than not knowing what scores are legit and what scores are cheated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Island Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Better than not knowing what scores are legit and what scores are cheated. I don't know about that, I mean I spent months and tons of money on my 6700k xtu score and to have it erased because there is a tweak/bug that I didn't even know about would really suck. It would be nice if they could figure out a way to determine if it was used or not instead of deleting all points. I only have 4 xtu scores towards my global profile so it wouldn't hurt me that much, it just feels like the principle of the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) As usual in life, same thing tends to happen here. I explain myself. There is a minority of cheaters ( I am not talking only about XTU ), and a vast majority of members that play by the rules, investing time, money and all available resources to achieve something good. Who will ever forget how the winner of a popular competition, recently got away with his cheating of ambient/sub-zero cooling methods, playing on the edge of the rules of HWBOT, and against any logic of "ambient interpretation". Splave revealed to our eyes, a trick unknown to most. PL. As the big picture suggests, XTU is a problematic benchmark. At least vulnerable to heavy distortion of the final result, with "common" or less common methods. Instead of addressing the problem/s ( if possible ), we choose to address the players of this benchmark, who are to my understanding 95% innocent. OK. I have spent two years and a ton of money, as Strong Island said, to reach almost the first place of the Enthusiast League ( missing it by 20 points ), WITHOUT ever using a single tweak. Is it fair ? No. Does it encourage me to move on to more effort ? No. Does this whole situation makes the little bird in my head shout " George, you are stupid " YES. Edited February 24, 2016 by george.kokovinis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) z170 It doesnt work for whatever reason all others are affected though, sorry could have saved you some time in trying z170 but was away. I just think it will be hard to convince intel to fix this bug on older platforms Edited February 26, 2016 by Splave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The official support list includes the latest three platforms. That's Skylake, Haswell-E, Haswell. I'll check again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I don't know about that, I mean I spent months and tons of money on my 6700k xtu score and to have it erased because there is a tweak/bug that I didn't even know about would really suck. It would be nice if they could figure out a way to determine if it was used or not instead of deleting all points. I only have 4 xtu scores towards my global profile so it wouldn't hurt me that much, it just feels like the principle of the matter. Unfortunately for many the same happened to UCBench and PCMark 05, just the nature of the game unfortunately, when a bench breaking bug like this is found with no fix (not saying that is the case here) then you have no choice but to simply remove the points as it becomes impossible to moderate, especially if people can start being clever about breaking it to make it look legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropluszero Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I don't know about that, I mean I spent months and tons of money on my 6700k xtu score and to have it erased because there is a tweak/bug that I didn't even know about would really suck. It would be nice if they could figure out a way to determine if it was used or not instead of deleting all points. I only have 4 xtu scores towards my global profile so it wouldn't hurt me that much, it just feels like the principle of the matter. Welcome to overclocking please enjoy your stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest george.kokovinis Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Unfortunately for many the same happened to UCBench and PCMark 05, just the nature of the game unfortunately, when a bench breaking bug like this is found with no fix (not saying that is the case here) then you have no choice but to simply remove the points as it becomes impossible to moderate, especially if people can start being clever about breaking it to make it look legit. With all respect, I do not agree. What is a benchmark ? It is an application. Written by a human or humans. A series of 0 and 1. Anything, even CIA encrypted 1024bit systems are vulnerable. It is only a matter of knowledge and time to break any code. Since moderation is done from a distance, no one can REALLY tell what the user is doing at his home. There is not even a single one benchmark application that can't be modified in a way to look legit. Simply, there is no financial interest to spend time to do that. I am not so sure though if the same thing applies to big vendors who have every reason to make their hardware LOOK better than the competition. It is called insider info. So, XTU or whatever XTU is vulnerable. XTU today, another one in six months and finally we are out of benchmarks. There are solutions to hold things tight and nice, but it is not the place nor the time to open such a discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bullant Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I don't know about that, I mean I spent months and tons of money on my 6700k xtu score and to have it erased because there is a tweak/bug that I didn't even know about would really suck. It would be nice if they could figure out a way to determine if it was used or not instead of deleting all points. I only have 4 xtu scores towards my global profile so it wouldn't hurt me that much, it just feels like the principle of the matter. Regardless of the out come mate I know what it's like to work hard on something,I for one appreciate the effort you put in as I can see you've worked hard on it.Hopefully something can be resolved.... From what I hear skylake is fine? It's just the older platforms ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaruwrc Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 make the screenshot thing mandatory!! these 742 subs without screen and mem config are the dumbest gfps ever.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbassplayerxx Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Worst case, update XTU to save SS in validation....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew pro Posted May 12, 2016 Crew Share Posted May 12, 2016 this happens because XTU isn't even a real benchmark, i been saying this for years i appreciate there is a component of XTU that is a benchmark, but I get the impression the measured CPU MHz is included in the benchmark calculation we have seen repeatedly over the life of XTU, when the GHz measurement is off, the score is skewed and this issue keeps coming up we were playing with this during country cup and were able to almost skew any score we wanted by fiddling with that realtime, but there is always the telling factor of the GHz measurement being wrong in my long standing opinion, XTU should be removed from pointed/competition benchmarks until Intel revise the mathematics behind it. it may be to give some sort of "efficiency" calculation, which im all for, but it shouldn't impact on the score at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropluszero Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 But it gives me many fancy points! also, intel & hwbot dont give no fucks. And as such, that was a waste of your keystrokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Can you PMe the exact instructions so we can replicate and patch? Thanks :celebration: Any updates? Just like @george\.kokovinis I'm having troubles reproducing this bug. With a detailed procedure we can report to Intel and get it fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew pro Posted May 12, 2016 Crew Share Posted May 12, 2016 But it gives me many fancy points! also, intel & hwbot dont give no bunnys. And as such, that was a waste of your keystrokes. im not attacking, im just legitimately saying im concerned with the way it calculates points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbassplayerxx Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 From the OP: And here is a step by step way to do it. 1. Download process lasso 2. Open 3. Disable Pro balance garbage File->Pro Balance 4. Next you are going to go to default process priorities 5. Type in p95-bench.exe and select realtime from the drop down and add to list 6. Loop XTU till you get a WR. You'll notice that the rotation above the XTU process bar will be glitchy fast then slow etc that's how you know its working. Also the Mhz will be super high but you can make them look more normal by under clocking or even using slow mode to get a nice round ln2 able figure. Better yet you dont need a screen shot so who cares if it says 10 GHZ, your validation file will work just fine. Is this not working for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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