dhunt3r55 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) hi, i buy today this kit off mushkin , i wonder iff they are really good overclokers and iff anyone has one memory off this brand that can share opinion. thank you here´s a pic off the box: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BiMAAOSw241YbqTn/s-l1600.jpg this some photos off the chip :number on mem chips XDY771A3G-A https://z-m-scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t35.0-12/16196624_10209541213185320_774033455_o.jpg?_nc_ad=z-m&oh=163815e15751b72d9cb643e0c995e01f&oe=58857449 https://z-m-scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/16215544_10209541212225296_1037961539_n.jpg?_nc_ad=z-m&oh=0a8acddcc6dba703d71efa5e8e6b1009&oe=5886773E Edited January 21, 2017 by dhunt3r55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GtiJason Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) dhunt3r55 said: hi, i buy today this kit off mushkin , i wonder iff they are really good overclokers and iff anyone has one memory off this brand that can share opinion. thank you here´s a pic off the box: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BiMAAOSw241YbqTn/s-l1600.jpg You can find some info here, the ic's used are PSC-X or BBSE most likely. It appears that hwbot member "emissary42" had powerchip PSC-X in his, these are his findings https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f13/hardwareluxx-spd-datenbank-ddr4-ic-liste-last-update-28-10-18-a-1073628.html https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/msi-z97m-gaming-live-review-done-1062683.html a) [PSC] Mushkin Copperhead 996772 (2x2GB DDR3-1600 7-8-7-20 1.65V) This is one of my newer kits that has never been tested on any other motherboard. Since it is not entirely clear what type of IC these specifications are, the first OC attempts were mainly for identification purposes. In the race were some Elpida variants, as well as more or less good Powerchips (PSC). The settings to configure the training of the memory were not touched. The Z97M GAMING behaved consistently in non-bootable settings, after three attempts to start is greeted by the Overclocking Failed message and asked if you want to load one of the stored profiles. Resetting the CMOS was never necessary. DDR3-2200 7-10-7-26 1T 1.63V DDR3-2400 8-11-7-27 2T 1.82V It quickly turned out that Mushkin apparently used ICs from Powerchip on this copy. Due to the production date in 2009, this should be the X variant. Typical is a good scaling with CL7 at relatively low voltages. For DDR3-2200 tCL7 and tWL 6 the kit needed only 1.63V and a minimal increase of tRCD and tRAS. At DDR3-2400, however, suddenly no command rate of 1 more was possible. Even with the use of the 125 or 167 straps this could not be avoided. Whether this is a general problem of the Z97M GAMING with this type of IC, will require the next tests with other kits. Since the required voltage for DDR3-2400 was already quite high and even DDR3-2600 CL8 could not be started at 1.90V, further tests with the Copperheads are not planned for the time being.Update: Even with my other and better quality PSC based kits DDR3-2400 command rate of 1T is no longer possible (tested with Corsair CMGTX1 , OCZ OCZ3RPR2133C7LV4GK OCZ3R ). It also looks like hwbot member blabla123 had them too, but I noticed 996772 is Muskin Copperhead, not Blackline. Either way the 7-8-7-20 @ 1.65v timings mean psc or bbse most likely BAZA podkręcania oraz kompatybilności pamięci DDR2, DDR3 i DDR4- dowolna platforma - Forum PCLab.pl - Strona 51 Edited October 28, 2018 by GtiJason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt3r55 Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 Oh ,i just paid 30€ on them with shipping i have a felling that i make a good deal . I'm very happy , with what you said ,because i was hopping that the chips are psc , but either way when i recive them ,i put some clocks here @gtijackson , thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GtiJason Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Oh ,i just paid 30€ on them with shipping i have a felling that i make a good deal .I'm very happy , with what you said ,because i was hopping that the chips are psc , but either way when i recive them ,i put some clocks here @gtijackson , thanks @gtijackson . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartx Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 :D Look for something with at least 2000MHz clock in default (PSC), otherwise it's not worth testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 :D Look for something with at least 2000MHz clock in default (PSC), otherwise it's not worth testing. Sorry but , NOT true. You never really know , where you could find good PSC. In the past , i had 1600 sticks that did waaayyy better than 2000 and 2133. You never know until you test them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartx Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Sorry but , NOT true.You never really know , where you could find good PSC. In the past , i had 1600 sticks that did waaayyy better than 2000 and 2133. You never know until you test them. You have a point. I wanted to say, that it's better chance to find good set when binning 2000+ RAM than 1600. In case, when you can buy them all below 50 euro in my opinion it's pointless to buy 1600, when you may have something much better in almost the same price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 You have a point. I wanted to say, that it's better chance to find good set when binning 2000+ RAM than 1600. In case, when you can buy them all below 50 euro in my opinion it's pointless to buy 1600, when you may have something much better in almost the same price. Yes , i agree. (especially with G.skill) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzie Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 especially with anything you buy isnt it ???? the silicone lottery applies, motherboards, cpus, gpus, psus, hdds, tv's , fridges, cars, anything , if we knew the result of a lottery or the silicone lottery we'd all be millionaires would'nt we ???, good on you dhunt3r35 for having a go, i hope they do well for you, i have mushkin blackline as well as redline, ive found them good solid performers that do what they say and better, good luck with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt3r55 Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Hi, thanks for all you're opinions when the mushkin arrive i will test them and see if its really a good chip or not... Next time i will consider buy 2*2gb +2000mhz g.skill. Edit : 1st boot 2133cl9 Edited January 21, 2017 by dhunt3r55 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emissary42 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Look for something with at least 2000MHz clock in default (PSC), otherwise it's not worth testing. There some rare exceptions but in general that's what i would do, too. The last halfway decent 1600 kit i bought were early F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO. Out of two kits the better one did DDR3-2400 8-11-8-28 1T twcl6 at 1.74V on Z97X-SOC Force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt3r55 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) There some rare exceptions but in general that's what i would do, too. The last halfway decent 1600 kit i bought were early F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO. Out of two kits the better one did DDR3-2400 8-11-8-28 1T twcl6 at 1.74V on Z97X-SOC Force. With this mushkin kit ,i can do 9/10/9 2400 MHz with 1.65v Some more clocks : 2000mhz 6.13.6/24 1600mhz 6.10.6/24 Edited January 25, 2017 by dhunt3r55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bullant Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) With this mushkin kit ,i can do 9/10/9 2400 MHz with 1.65v Some more clocks : 2000mhz 6.13.6/24 1600mhz 6.10.6/24 Can you try like 8-12-8-28 2600mhz and trfc 96 1.8 -1.9v or 9-12-9-28. 2600mhz 1.8 -1.9v or 9-13-9-28. 2600mhz 1.8v -1.9v PSC not like trcd to tight on air,trcd just need to be around 4 higher then cas when running around 2600mhz,well if your trying cl8,always nice trying new memory good or bad,good luck Oh depending board,if 2600mhz no boot you can try 2400mhz + blck with the timings I said to try get 2600mhz ,is so many ways.Try twcl 6 or 7 or 8 Edited January 25, 2017 by Bullant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt3r55 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 Can you try like 8-12-8-28 2600mhz and trfc 96 1.8 -1.9v or 9-12-9-28. 2600mhz 1.8 -1.9v or 9-13-9-28. 2600mhz 1.8v -1.9v PSC not like trcd to tight on air,trcd just need to be around 4 higher then cas when running around 2600mhz,well if your trying cl8,always nice trying new memory good or bad,good luck Oh depending board,if 2600mhz no boot you can try 2400mhz + blck with the timings I said to try get 2600mhz ,is so many ways.Try twcl 6 or 7 or 8 Hi, thanks for the tips, i will try that after work,and i will post here the results. My system is: I5 4590(bclk 103) MSI z97-g43 Mushkin 1ssd120gb coz 1hd 500gb WD green Vtx3D r9 280x Xfx TS 550w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt3r55 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 @Bullant and @emissary42 , the set doesn't boot with 2600mhz 12/12/12/35...anything above 2400mhz don't boot, i don't know if its because the mobo or maybe the CPU that can't handle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GtiJason Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 @Bullant and @emissary42 , the set doesn't boot with 2600mhz 12/12/12/35...anything above 2400mhz don't boot, i don't know if its because the mobo or maybe the CPU that can't handle The only MSI board I have used that was good for 2600+ c8 was the Z97 XPower with the newest bios. I'm sure MPower could as well but I've never owned one myself. For your setup I'd stick to trying 2400c7 11-7-28 tcwl=6/7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt3r55 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 The only MSI board I have used that was good for 2600+ c8 was the Z97 XPower with the newest bios. I'm sure MPower could as well but I've never owned one myself. For your setup I'd stick to trying 2400c7 11-7-28 tcwl=6/7 tomorrow i will try it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bullant Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Yeah i not know what board you have,if it's the m power it can do it,if you have some non OC board then maybe to hard,those mems you have are normally not the best compared to others.Just stick to 2400 if to hard and tighten as much as you can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed.fastest Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I've had PSC that cant boot above 2400 8-12-8 1T or 2400 8-11-8 2T. Voltage around 1.85-1.93v. Put fan on the mem can help stability on high voltage. The kit is gskill eco 1600 7-8-7 1.35v green pcb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt3r55 Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 @Bullant and @speed\.fastest , maybe next weeken i will try in another system ...(3770k + msi z77 gd 45 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emissary42 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 With this mushkin kit ,i can do 9/10/9 2400 MHz with 1.65v tRCD=10 at DDR3-2400 sounds more like Elpida (BSSE maybe) to me than PSC. 1600mhz 6.10.6/24 Have you tried 6-7-6 or 6-8-6 at DDR3-1600? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt3r55 Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) @emissary42, thay make 2000mhz 6.13.6/24 and 1600mhz 6.10.6/24, but i will try right now . Edit: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet , it´s like this ? and this ? Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet Edited January 28, 2017 by dhunt3r55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emissary42 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 1600 6-7-6 didn't POST? If they can do 2000 6-13-6 and 2000 8-9-8, then try 2000 6-9-6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt3r55 Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) 1600 6-7-6 didn't POST? If they can do 2000 6-13-6 and 2000 8-9-8, then try 2000 6-9-6. Yes, I don't try it 1600 6.7.6 , but i post a result in a few moments. Edit: 1600mhz 6-7-6 :Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet Edited January 28, 2017 by dhunt3r55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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