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On 5/6/2018 at 3:57 PM, TheRedBaron said:

Seems to be a special OEM part. I know that this stuff is created from Gigabyte but if identifies itself as Lenovo, I just have it their way.

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On 24 Май 2018 г. at 10:17 PM, Strunkenbold said:

fixed

Nforce500 is a rebrand from NF4, so it is correct.

Ok. What w/ http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_2_duo_e6540/ exatly there is e6540? You do a wipeout http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/k9n_ultra_(ms-7250_v2.0)/ ?

Сould you add this picture https://cloud.mail.ru/public/5kQC/fF4BBBPKm in http://hwbot.org/submission/3277266 ? Not "edit" option.

Yet there: http://hwbot.org/search/submissions/permalink?username=lelik9&mbModelId=209&mbManufacturerId=207

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On 5/14/2018 at 8:40 PM, Mr.Scott said:

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/phenom_ii_x4_970t/

No such thing as a 970T.

It is a 970 BE  rev. E0  Zosma core.

The only sub in your 970T class is a 970 BE unlocked to 6 cores.

Needs to be moved and the 970T classification removed.

 

On 5/15/2018 at 8:26 AM, yosarianilives said:

If the 970 be was capable of being unlocked to 6 cores then it should be called 970t. The normal 970 be was based on deneb. All thuban based cpus have a "t" after the number. Although for some reason the thuban based one is also called 970 be, even though by AMD's naming standards it would be called 970t. I think that it's still a good idea to call it 970t to distinguish it or else perhaps name it "970 be (zosma)" and add deneb for the normal cpu, as it is a different cpu than the deneb version.

Mr. Scott is right that this CPU is not a "970T" - it is "Thuban" based ("Zosma") without the "T" and that should be how it is named. We confuse this because the rest of that 4 core "Zosma" lineup also had a "T". The "T" however does not mean "T" for "Thuban", this is a misunderstanding. The "T" is for Turbo. "Thuban" had the first implementation of AMD Turbo Core which is why that was appended to the end of the model names.

The "Zosma" 970 Black Edition does not feature Turbo Core, hence the absence of the "T". Regardless of the fact that it matches the clockspeed of the "Deneb" 970 Black Edition, L3 cache latency / IMC performance is different (~1866 MHz DDR3 limit of "Deneb"/"Propus"/"Regor" removed, and a minor IPC loss due to L3 cache configuration) and still differentiates it enough that it deserves its own page.

On 5/15/2018 at 6:20 PM, Mr.Scott said:

The proper class is 970 BE Zosma.

Thuban has nothing to do with it.

HWB uses CPU World for reference for every other CPU. There is no reason not to use it for this one.

 

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition - HDZ970FBK4DGR.html

Well, "Thuban" does have something to do with the CPU existing, but not in the way that the "T" stands for "Thuban"

On 5/16/2018 at 8:17 AM, yosarianilives said:

Zosma is the Thuban die. That's like saying that Heka and Propus aren't just Deneb with cache or cores disabled. Or that Sargas isn't just Regor with a core disabled. But I get what you're talking about with AMD's codenames for the soft disabled versions of each of their dies.

Just some fun facts....
"Zosma" is always the "Thuban" die.
"Heka" is always "Deneb".
"Propus" is actually its own die, with no L3, or the HyperTransport PHYs that "Deneb" / "Shanghai" include, though some "Propus" CPUs are "Deneb" inside.
"Regor" is also its own die, though some "Regor" CPUs are "Propus" / "Deneb" inside.
"Sargas" is always "Regor" inside.

Some "Propus" chips are "Deneb" with disabled L3, however, this is easily differentiated physically by the 5-letter stepping code on the IHS :
AACYC / CACAC / CACDC / CACYC AC ... **C** = Deneb,
AADIC / AADHC / CADIC / CADHC / NADHC / NADIC ... **D** = Propus.

Regardless of what die the supposed "Propus" CPU is in reality, CPUID and stepping (BL-C2 / BL-C3) will identify as "Propus", though performance is the same and they always share the same errata as their "Deneb" counterparts (RB-C2 / RB-C3).

"Regor" is the same way, some "Regor" (DA-C2 / DA-C3) are actually 2-core dies physically while others are full "Propus" or full "Deneb" physically. Again, the actual "Regor" die shares the same errata and performance as "Propus" and "Deneb". 

CACAC /  CACEC ... etc. = Deneb, 
NADIC ... etc. = Propus, 
NAEGC / NAEKC = Regor

TL;DR
Basically, 3rd letter of 5 letter stepping code = C, the die is Deneb. D = Propus, E = Regor. This goes for the whole 45nm Athlon II / Phenom II lineup regardless of SKU.

On 5/24/2018 at 2:14 PM, Strunkenbold said:

Yes, there is no 970T on CPUWorld. But we create separate categories for different cores. So there would be still two 970 categories. One Deneb, one Zosma.

As it is such a rare piece of hardware and Im not sure that CPUworld has the correct informations, I just leave it as 970T like CPU-Z identified it.

Well, the "T" is still wrong. This chip doesn't have Turbo Core.
You guys should fix it, and it can keep its own page.
The CPU-Z identification is incorrect, as shown in the actual specification line: "AMD Phenom II X4 970 Processor"
https://valid.x86.fr/show_oc.php?id=1913942


I studied AMD a bit much in 2008-2012. The last era where AMD didn't give a **** about wafer mask costs because their yields at 45nm were actually half decent.

Cheers,
Sam

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13 hours ago, BeepBeep2 said:

Well, the "T" is still wrong. This chip doesn't have Turbo Core.
You guys should fix it, and it can keep its own page.
The CPU-Z identification is incorrect, as shown in the actual specification line: "AMD Phenom II X4 970 Processor"
https://valid.x86.fr/show_oc.php?id=1913942

Okay point taken.

Corrected the core to Zosma and renamed the category to Phenom II X4 970 BE (Zosma). Also renamed the Deneb category to Phenom II X4 970 BE (Deneb), to not confuse the people.

As we have now two ugly categories more in the db I hope everyone is happy now.

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1 hour ago, Strunkenbold said:

 

Corrected the core to Zosma and renamed the category to Phenom II X4 970 BE (Zosma). Also renamed the Deneb category to Phenom II X4 970 BE (Deneb), to not confuse the people.

As we have now two ugly categories more in the db I hope everyone is happy now.

Thank you.........and I'm sorry.

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On 1 Июнь 2018 г. at 1:50 AM, Strunkenbold said:

 

Thank you and I'm I think it's worth a look at: shared 4 MB. Looks like E6500k . Accuracy to accuracy.

http://hwbot.org/search/submissions/permalink?username=strannik20&gpuId=1541 has Radeon HD 3000.

Do a wipeout http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/122_ck_nf66_t1/ , there a few.

http://hwbot.org/submission/2168428_strannik20_cpu_frequency_core_2_duo_e7500_4152.17_mhz

http://hwbot.org/search/submissions/permalink?username=alexmaj467&cpuid=333 very blind a writing

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