Massman Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Not sure if anyone else noticed it, but there's a big difference between the different mainboard/bios combinations for 3DMark01 performance. So far I've only had luck with the Gigabyte UD4 to get good 01 runs. Any other board has performance ~ 3k to even 8k lower. Here's the data: HD 4890: CPU MHz vs CH: - 5288 - 535 - P67A-UD4 (F6x) - 5545 - 505 - P8P67 Deluxe (1053) - 5300 - 549.6 - Maximus IV extreme (0681) - 5400 - 482 - P67A-GD65 (1.8B6) - 5412 - 511.4 - Maximus IV Extreme (0681) - 5200 - 465.3 - P8P67 Pro - 4890 - 513 - P67A-UD4 (F4) - 5300 - 480 - P67A-GD55 (1.8B5) - 5366 - 525.8 - P67A-UD4 (F7b) As far as my own testing goes I only had good runs with the UD4 (as mentioned before). M4E and GD65 gave me ~ 490FPS at 5.4GHz (should be 550!). Only hole in the gigabyte theory is U22's run with the M4E + 0681 bios. At 5300 he's at 550, my runs were at 515FPS. You will see the same with other cards, by the way. Check the top results of the GTX 580, for instance: - 409FPS @ 5500MHz (GBT UD7) - 395FPS @ 5620MHz (ASUS board) Only problematic run (maybe not right lod?): 395FPS @ 5500MHz with UD4, but still ... same performance level as the asus boards but with lower MHz. I've tried to come up with a solution when running the M4E, but nothing helped. Tried changing mem dividers, different OS, different timings, different pci-e lanes etc ... no way to reach the high performance. When switching from the 0065 to the 0681 bios on the M4E, I went from 490FPS CH to 515FPS ... nothing changed frequency wise. What are your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaJ0r Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Massman I saw big difference between 3DMark 2001 SE scores, but i thought results depend from tweeks(LOD, Drivers, etc). Good notice, thanks. If I will be able I check your theory with MSI and ASUS board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Quite interesting. Pieter, how many times did you rerun the test at every board-bios settings? High Car Chase is VERY random even when talking about the same drv+LOD, hardware etc. Will try to check somewhen when I get SB -) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaan Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Yes, it is random, but not so much, massman is right, I've notice same thing. variations I have is +/- 10FPS max, not 50. And LOD does not help in CH. Recently i help my teammate kaidtor to tweek windows and he has nice results. CH-544.7FPS@5395MHz http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2111259_kaidtor_3dmark2001_se_radeon_hd_5870_115792_marks I was very surprized, how sensitive 3dm01 to mem timings and speed with SB. For example, changing mem speed from 800 to 933 give +30FPS in Nature I have UD4 and now testing MSI GD65 and and just can't reach same perf in 3d01, no matter what. All settings, hardware and opsys are same. Quite interesting.Pieter, how many times did you rerun the test at every board-bios settings? High Car Chase is VERY random even when talking about the same drv+LOD, hardware etc. Will try to check somewhen when I get SB -) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 Quite interesting.Pieter, how many times did you rerun the test at every board-bios settings? High Car Chase is VERY random even when talking about the same drv+LOD, hardware etc. Will try to check somewhen when I get SB -) I re-ran a lot. Lot. Lot. . CH is quite consistent here; as Jaan says ~ 10FPS variation mostly. Sometimes, you can get a good run that is like 20FPS higher, but definitly not 50 like in this case. CH gives the most clear indication of lower performance, but it can be seen in all subtests. Nature is here ~ 20-40FPS lower (<1%) and DH is also slacking +/_ the same. Overall, the difference is like 4-6k points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinos22 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 i was able to do the same with UD5 what you did with UD4 with that 120K i will try UD7 also when i get a chance and some more GTX295 runs with a retail chip when they finally come into stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveRo Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I did this with ud5 and not a particularly special SB - http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2109710_stevero_3dmark2001_se_radeon_hd_5870_114059_marks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 i was able to do the same with UD5 what you did with UD4 with that 120K i will try UD7 also when i get a chance and some more GTX295 runs with a retail chip when they finally come into stock Yeap. Pt1t just confirmed the same thing: GBT rocks for 01; all the others are slacking hard. IIRC, he had 109-111k with ASUS M4E (HD5870) and 116K with UD7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Day Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I did this with ud5 and not a particularly special SB - http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2109710_stevero_3dmark2001_se_radeon_hd_5870_114059_marks Can you re submit the result screen shot with the details visible. I would love to compare my result with yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex@ro Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Anyone tested Asrock?.This seemes like a dumb question,but i have nice 1M and 32M scores with it.Did not have any other board to test,but this would be a good info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
over@locker886 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Massman, I can compare later head to head P67A-UD7 vs Asus Sabertooth or Asus P8P67WS Revolution.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted January 24, 2011 Crew Share Posted January 24, 2011 EFI bios related then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemto Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Gigabyte is the only one (?) with a non EFI bios coincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 Had that idea as well, but I don't know how an EFI bios could affect 01 performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoro Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Have you also tried vista/win7 for 01 or only XP? i noticed that ASUS with vista can normally show the "details" after a run and not the annoying "...very large details.txt..." in XP but i haven't performed any comparisons yet, since my 2x5770 don't want to "cooperate" in XP no matter what drivers i used! i think ASUS still needs a lot of work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP04 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Interesting theory Massman... For my run I used bios 1053. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoqolatl Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 From ryba's and mine testing it looks like MSI < ASUS < Gigabyte in '01, and the same in pi 32m, but with less difference between Gigabyte and Asus. I tried the UD7 for a brief moment, but could not bare its retarded, laggy BIOS... Also, looks like Intel is slower than Asus but faster than MSI, and it doesn't have an EFI bios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Any particular board, or all of them? No-one compared EVGA to the lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steponz Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 evga.. they still exist.. lol... I think the msi board has memory issues... Firing up the gb ud7 board. with newest bios.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matose Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I saw the same think when testing HD 4890 on Maximus IV Extreme. At the same frequencies with Pieter I was lacking 6K points...changed 3 different OS, RAM, BIOS, slots, timings. Nothing helped! Beside poor CH I saw also very poor LL performance (~80-100 fps less than GB board). What's the explanation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linuxfan Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Maybe Asus can come out with new BIOS for better '01 performance? This is bad news for me because I just got a P8P67 Pro for testing.... 2D should still be good I see at least.... Maybe I'll have to grab a UD4 too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew stummerwinter Posted January 25, 2011 Crew Share Posted January 25, 2011 Interesting to read, was wondering about low scores on M4E... Also valid on NV-cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linuxfan Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Interesting to read, was wondering about low scores on M4E... Also valid on NV-cards? Apparently. I can check when my 2600K comes in this week. :up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Interesting to read, was wondering about low scores on M4E... Also valid on NV-cards? Yeah. Its less apparent, but it's also there. Check the second set of results in the opening post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaJ0r Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Sounds bad. I've got MSI board and I going to change it to ASUS Sabertooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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