Administrators websmile Posted October 15, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted October 15, 2017 We should find a mix. We have five rounds, each is a standalone competition. So feel free to use ooold stuff at one or two rounds and stuff that is a bit newer^^ at others. I am aware of the fact that 775 and after are not what we need, we had this and it is not really old school like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Things Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I fully support the notion of limiting a possible 486 stage to exclude AMD DX5, otherwise that's the chip everyone will use. Kinda boring. But whatever - I'd be just as happy to bench mine again. Love the idea of S4 and some of the other vintage cores being suggested like Klamath and Tbird. I really like where this is going. I think websmile is starting to get a bit anxious about finalizing things, so I'll forgo any further suggestions. Looking forward to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Hi "old-schoolers" We need more proposals and ideas for this contest. Keep them coming. Lets try to keep them : Old school Fair and simple Common hardware Affordable in 2nd hand market Fun and interesting Lets do our best. I know that in the end , not all users will be satisfied and happy (that's almost impossible in such cases). But lets try to keep the majority happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted October 18, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2017 Tasos now manages the proposals and you can re-post your ideas when you checked them again how much sense they make and how doable this all is. As he wrote, please do not go for expensive or unobtainable unicorn hardware and not stuff that is too new, have fun and I hope we can accelerate things a bit. Plan is to lauch the comp early january, so it would be good if we can sort this out until early november Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I'm not super versed with old hw so really can't contribute any stage ideas, but I assume you guys mean like 939 or 478 and older, just to clarify everyon, or more or less anything older than ddr2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted October 18, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2017 We had am2 and 775, I think it is time to digg deeper into the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Socket 462 Must be Duron GF256 3D01 Pifast Aquamark3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max1024 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Aquamark3 is BAD aidea, it have some errors with cyrylic vercson of Windows. By default save path ... Рабочий Ñтоли (Eng Desktop), so it can't give the result. just to clarify everyon, or more or less anything older than ddr2? think AMD K8 - 'Windsor' will be end of OSiBS HW. For AMD lowers and K6 core interesting to take K6 without prefix - Silmly first K6 - 166-300 mhz "Little Foot (model 7) " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Hi "old-schoolers" We need more proposals and ideas for this contest. Keep them coming. Lets try to keep them : Old school Fair and simple Common hardware Affordable in 2nd hand market Fun and interesting Lets do our best. I know that in the end , not all users will be satisfied and happy (that's almost impossible in such cases). But lets try to keep the majority happy. Aquamark3 is BAD aidea, .... For AMD lowers and K6 core interesting to take K6 without prefix - Silmly first K6 - 166-300 mhz "Little Foot (model 7) " Max Please propose a complete round , considering the criteria mentioned above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Things Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) There have already been some pretty good proposals in this thread, so is there a certain framework you are working with for each round, TASOS? Or do you want round proposals from scratch? Well, in any case, here are some more round proposals for your consideration... Round 1: 486 - Stage 1: SuperPi 1M 5x86 + X5 - Stage 2: SuperPi 1M 486-only - Stage 3: 3DMark99 Max Round 2: Socket 4 - Stage 1: PiFast - Stage 2: SuperPi 32M - Stage 3: Aquamark Round 3: Socket 7 - Stage 1: Non-Intel or AMD CPU frequency - Stage 2: Intel-only PCMark 04 - Stage 3: wPrime 1024M full-out (K6-2/K6-3 & multi-socket OK) Round 4: Socket 423 - Stage 1: RIMM memory frequency - Stage 2: 3DMark 01SE w/ GeForce2 or Radeon 7000 - Stage 3: HWBOT Prime Round 5: Socket 754 - Stage 1: "Athlon" PCMark 05 - Stage 2: "Turion/Sempron" Cinebench R15 - Stage 3: 3DMark 05 w/ Radeon 9000 Edited October 19, 2017 by Dead Things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Tasos now manages the proposals and you can re-post your ideas when you checked them again how much sense they make and how doable this all is. As he wrote, please do not go for expensive or unobtainable unicorn hardware and not stuff that is too new, have fun and I hope we can accelerate things a bit. Plan is to lauch the comp early january, so it would be good if we can sort this out until early november There have already been some pretty good proposals in this thread, so is there a certain framework you are working with for each round, TASOS? Or do you want round proposals from scratch? Yes Please consider the criteria written by me above and also follow the general idea from websmile. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Things Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 It occurs to me - although I'd personally love a chance to bench Socket 4, it may be more difficult to acquire than the others. So I might propose this as a potential replacement round: Round 2b: Slot 1 Stage 1: PII "Celeron" PiFast (single-slot only) Stage 2: PII wPrime 32M full-out (multi-slot OK) Stage 3: 3DMark 2000 w/ PII & GeForce 256 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Socket 462Must be Duron GF256 3D01 Pifast Aquamark3 It occurs to me - although I'd personally love a chance to bench Socket 4, it may be more difficult to acquire than the others. So I might propose this as a potential replacement round: Round 2b: Slot 1 Stage 1: PII "Celeron" PiFast (single-slot only) Stage 2: PII wPrime 32M full-out (multi-slot OK) Stage 3: 3DMark 2000 w/ PII & GeForce 256 I know that (GF 256) is a unique piece of hardware for old school fanatics , but it's kind of rare and expensive nowadays. I personally dont have a problem to include it into the competition. But it would be better if we find more supporters , to approve this vga for any stage or round. I hope more members will declare interest. If not , should we consider a cheap alternative of geforce2 MX series ? We'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Things Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) You make a point, TASOS. It is a legendary piece of hardware, though - and if not in OSIBS, then when do we get a chance to bench it? (Then again, same could be said for Socket 4 I guess - if not OSIBS, when? Never?) It's your call though... edit - changed my mind about the following: Backup proposal: Remove Geforce 256 from Stage 2, move Geforce2/Radeon 7000 down to Stage 2, move Radeon 9000 down to Stage 4 and add GeForce 6000/Radeon X800 to Stage 5. Howabout we just swap in Voodoo2 SLI for GeForce 256 instead? Edited October 19, 2017 by Dead Things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max1024 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Dead Things Round 1: 486- Stage 1: SuperPi 1M 5x86 + X5 - Stage 2: SuperPi 1M 486-only - Stage 3: 3DMark99 Max Boring, as the last time all take AMD DX-5 133Mhz and overclock it to 200 It happened before... Round 2b: Slot 1Stage 1: PII "Celeron" PiFast (single-slot only) Stage 2: PII wPrime 32M full-out (multi-slot OK) Stage 3: 3DMark 2000 w/ PII & GeForce 256 Mendocino 433? wPrime 32M full-out (multi-slot OK) - only - it is all about alone ABIT BP6? Strange choice. Round 3: Socket 7A- Stage 1: Non-Intel or AMD CPU frequency B- Stage 2: Intel-only PCMark 04 C- Stage 3: wPrime 1024M full-out (K6-2/K6-3 & multi-socket OK) A - is interesting, but B, why Intel? Lets do with A cpu, but non PCM Benchmark. C - there is no multiSocket AMD K6-systems in the World. Round 4: Socket 423- Stage 1: RIMM memory frequency - Stage 2: 3DMark 01SE w/ GeForce2 or Radeon 7000 - Stage 3: HWBOT Prime Think it's ok in general, but remark - RIMM memory frequency only on S423, not 478. Round 5: Socket 754- Stage 1: "Athlon" PCMark 05 - Stage 2: "Turion/Sempron" Cinebench R15 - Stage 3: 3DMark 05 w/ Radeon 9000 The worst offer imho. S754 it overclocked practically in every competition with M64 4000+ Turion never been Oldschool it's mobile cpu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 The worst offer imho. S754 it overclocked practically in every competition with M64 4000+ Turion never been Oldschool it's mobile cpu. It depends in the end what chips would be allowed but Turions would be acceptable to me and probrably most others too..... Note I said "Most others", honestly I can only speak for myself on that. In fact I'm cool with anything that runs in a 754 period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havli Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Maybe limit the 754 stage to 130nm ClawHammer and Newcastle cores? That feels more old school to me. In that case R15 must be replaced with something else as 130nm A64 lack SSE3 and because of that can't run R15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarc Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Boring, as the last time all take AMD DX-5 133Mhz and overclock it to 200 It happened before.... no,it is not boring and it was several years ago Edited October 20, 2017 by Remarc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Things Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) Dead Things{snip} That's cool - they were just some ideas to help TASOS out. Please feel free to refine them, replace them, or submit your own. Personally - I'm up for pretty much anything. I think TASOS has a good idea of what he wants to do with OSIBS this year and I'm excited to find out what he decides. Edited October 21, 2017 by Dead Things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 TASOS wants , from aaaall of you out there , (oldtimers or not) ... to make proposals. Propose , propose , propose I want to have a variety of proposals , to pick from Do your best :celebration: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 New ideas and proposals , are still welcome !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRIFF Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) Hi guys. I can post my ideas. S5/7: pentium mmx & amd k6-2, single slot Wprime 32 - Pentium* (200mhz limit) 3DM99 - Pentium MMX + GF 256 Spi 1M - Amd K6-2 (400mhz limit) 3DM00 - Amd K6-2 + Riva TNT Max freq - EDO ram S370: Mendocino/ Coppermine with non intel chipset Cpu freq. - Mendocino 3DM01 - Mendocino + Riva TNT2 Spi 32M - Celeron Coppermine (1.5ghz) AM3 - Pentium Coppermine + GF2 MX400 Max freq - sdr sdram S478: Willamette + sdr sdram motherboard Cinebench 2003 - Celeron 3DM03 - Radeon 7000 + Celeron Hwprime - Pentium 3DM05 - GF4 TI 4200 + Pentium Reference clock S754/939: Single core cpu Max freq. - DDR (cl2) s754 AM3 - Radeon 9000 + Venice s754 Pifast - s754 (3ghz) Max freq. - S939 non nForce motherboard Cloud Gate - S939 + GF3 TI 200 Edited October 28, 2017 by GRIFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Hi everybody Here follows the final plan , for this season OSiBS competition. Feel free to comment here or send me a pm , with your thoughts , or even things i might have overlooked. // ROUND 1 - Socket 7 (1997) Mixed with Intel & AMD cpu's (All cpu's must be 0.35 micron fabrication). Desktop cpu's only. Intel P5 architecture (Pentium MMX series) AMD K6 architecture (Desktop K6 series) Stage-1 CPU-Z Validation - Max CPU speed Stage-2 SuperPI 1M Stage-3 CPU-Z Validation - Percentage OC % // ROUND 2 - Socket 370 (1998) (Mendocino cores only) (Non Intel chipset motherboards) Stage-1 CPU-Z Validation - Max CPU speed Stage-2 SuperPI 1M Stage-3 Wprime 32M // ROUND 3 - Slot A (1999) (Argon & Pluto core only) Stage-1 CPU-Z Reference Clock Stage-2 SuperPI 1M Stage-3 3DMark 2001 - GeForce 256 // ROUND 4 - Socket 423 (2000) (No adapters allowed) Stage-1 SuperPI 1M Stage-2 Wprime 32M Stage-3 Aida64 Memory Read Stage-4 3DMark 2001 - GeForce3 series // ROUND 5 - Socket 754 (2003) (No adapters allowed) Stage-1 SuperPI 1M Stage-2 HWBOT X265 1080P Stage-3 3DMark2003 - Nvidia series (Up to 7xxx series - single vga only) Stage-4 FM Cloudgate - ATI AGP series // Edited November 3, 2017 by TASOS Edit for Round 5 - Stage 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Things Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 ROUND 2 - Socket 370 (1998)(Mendocino cores only) (Non Intel chipset motherboards) Thanks for putting this together TASOS! I'm looking forward to it! Just one question - would we be allowed to use slockets to run Socket 370 chips on Slot 1 non-Intel boards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Thank you Tasos. I look forward to rounds 3 and 5. Just one question - would we be allowed to use slockets to run Socket 370 chips on Slot 1 non-Intel boards? I hope so. Edited November 2, 2017 by Mr.Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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