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We could be a so much bigger community if we could overcome the old Windows XP/7 only requirement for 95% of benchmarks. I get really sad everytime I want to bench some interesting hardware, or invite newcomers to the hobby. Nobody runs these old systems anymore :/

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Nobody runs these old systems anymore :/

 

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We could be a so much bigger community if we could overcome the old Windows XP/7 only requirement for 95% of benchmarks. I get really sad everytime I want to bench some interesting hardware, or invite newcomers to the hobby. 

Do not blame HWB for the RTC bug or the software hackers that make benching difficult.

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I do think we are over-representing the WinXP/7 community here :/ I'm not saying there are 0 users, but the vast majority is on Win10

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Unfortunately, the vast majority of benchmarks or hardware do not run on W10 .

If you really wanna bench, you'd better get used to using XP or W7. W10 only puts you on a very short rope.

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I would like to re-open this tread only because MS/Intel/AMD is making it harder to bench on Win XP/7. I'm not a CODER or totally understand the requirements involved to move the older stuff forward. I'm looking at the 3D benches that need to be moved to Win 10. I know that we have had people help bring the AquaMark and Heaven benches up to speed/easier to work with on the Windows 7 OS.

Is it possible to bring these up to being allowed in Windows 10?? I only bring this up because BOTH benches represent a LARGE % of points for good runs. I understand about Catzilla being dropped as there was no longer developer/coding support.

We have our own HWBot.org Version of Unigine Heaven Benchmark, so I believe we have the possibilities of making this work.

You will always have the 1% that will try to cheat but what about the other 99% that do this for fun???

 

Thank You For Your Time :)

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windows 7 ./ xp  scores the best anyways on 99% of benches anyways. Its worth setting up a spare drive to bench on.

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From my 2D perspective, nobody cares about what’s more conventional, win 7 and XP have better performance for competitive and pushing the limits of the chip.

Long live XP, spi32m and waza :P

 

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We have been debating this over and over, we need a coder like Matt, that can make a crapper for the older benchmarks to be run on eg 8 or newer OSses for the current blacklisted hardware on these platforms...

Thing is this will cost money, will it ever be bullet/cheat proof, will the developper keep on supporting updates,...

Major advantage of the OS limits are gone is that we will have a way more active community

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Win10 runs like shit except for XTU. So if the member is unlucky to have a bog standard Pro version ... they will be beaten to death with bloatware.

No amount of deleting /uninstalling works ... candycrush & all the other shit loads back on next internet visit. It's an OS for advertising. 

A fast Win7 is fine for 95% of the benching we do.

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  • well i have only come to the site to compare my OC results for my win10 VR machine (with super slim no bloat version of 10 - no updates or other bs running)... so far no issues with benchmarks running and my results are very competitive... rank in top 10 or 20 for some current competitions.. but not done tweaking yet...
  • will be trying win7 soon to see if there's improvement, and to possibly compete...we'll see

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1 hour ago, avalanche said:

A fast Win7 is fine for 95% of the benching we do.

Not really, it is pain to install W7 on some modern platforms... And for example Raven Ridge is W10 only. In the future this wil get worse and worse.

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Agreed. Found this out for x299 & installing Win7. Evga had the good sense to keep the needed Win7 file on the driver disc :)

Haha the old F6 step is still with us.

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tgurus ... While Win10 is competitve, it was not around when most of the benches were made. Into the future wining with it sure.

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I thank YOU ALL for your great comments :)

I brought this up because some Motherboards/CPU's are allowed and some are not. Most of the time, it's not until after you have submitted that you find out there is a problem.

I know if you are at least a little interested in benching, you will have a stripped version of your current OS. <- This is Basic 101 (Make a backup in-case you bork your current setup) that is always repeated to the Rookies @ Overclockers.com, Overclockers.net, HWBot.org, and many other Overclocking sites. It's because of the Rookie Overclocker, that the Motherboard makers are now looking at/advertising to ($$$$). 

 

Thank You For Your Time :)

 

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The problem is that way too many benchmarks are legacy ones. But too many old overclockers love the old benchmarks too much to do the modernization that is needed.

To be honest a benchmarking site, where most of the benchmarking is done on modern hw, should measured relevant contemporary performance. We praise new generations of hw, and bench then using 10-15 year old instructions and benchmarks. 

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1 hour ago, Rauf said:

The problem is that way too many benchmarks are legacy ones. But too many old overclockers love the old benchmarks too much to do the modernization that is needed.

To be honest a benchmarking site, where most of the benchmarking is done on modern hw, should measured relevant contemporary performance. We praise new generations of hw, and bench then using 10-15 year old instructions and benchmarks. 

That is your own opinion of what the problem is.

If people just pushed "Run Bench', things would be a lot different.

The community is actually killing themselves.

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3 hours ago, Rauf said:

The problem is that way too many benchmarks are legacy ones. But too many old overclockers love the old benchmarks too much to do the modernization that is needed.

To be honest a benchmarking site, where most of the benchmarking is done on modern hw, should measured relevant contemporary performance. We praise new generations of hw, and bench then using 10-15 year old instructions and benchmarks. 

Not everyone want to run a bleeding edge computer Rauf. What's a full combo worth 5 grand here easy. Anything 2080ti with i9 processor costs a fortune.

We all forget retail a GTX580 was $500AU here. Why are the Nvidia gpu's retail now 400%. So budget constraints.

The majority of us will buy second hand parts for cheap & do the benchmarks. So more variety for members even with the XP OS.

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As for the Win10 upgrade being forced on us consumers. We will adapt our use of it with modern hardware. ie Do better scores with it. 

The Legacy Benchmarks are part of HWbot & they need to stay as most of us here still enjoy them :)

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4 hours ago, MaddMutt said:

I thank YOU ALL for your great comments :)

I brought this up because some Motherboards/CPU's are allowed and some are not. Most of the time, it's not until after you have submitted that you find out there is a problem.

I know if you are at least a little interested in benching, you will have a stripped version of your current OS. <- This is Basic 101 (Make a backup in-case you bork your current setup) that is always repeated to the Rookies @ Overclockers.com, Overclockers.net, HWBot.org, and many other Overclocking sites. It's because of the Rookie Overclocker, that the Motherboard makers are now looking at/advertising to ($$$$). 

 

Thank You For Your Time :)

 

It's up to you more experienced guys & gals to give the learner rookies a hand. Making some OS's work is tricky ... but there are guides out there to explain it.

Yes we keep supporting our manufacturers of computer hardware with our purchases. If we are to continue with out fun hobby 

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5 hours ago, Rauf said:

The problem is that way too many benchmarks are legacy ones. But too many old overclockers love the old benchmarks too much to do the modernization that is needed.

To be honest a benchmarking site, where most of the benchmarking is done on modern hw, should measured relevant contemporary performance. We praise new generations of hw, and bench then using 10-15 year old instructions and benchmarks. 

I'll say benching isn't all about the newest or oldest  - It's about the entire spectrum of what's available to bench in the first place.

I do agree that newer benchies based on newer pieces is relevant for comtemporary results but the entire thing about benching isn't completely based on that.

For a site to be "honest" it has to compare things from different perspectives and doing so with only the newest with the newest creates such a narrow view, in reality "To be honest" everything has to count in the end.

You run the newer/newest pieces available and that's OK because that's your thing and it does matter but so does the other you seem to have some disdain over. If we don't bench and cover it all, then the picture is incomplete, giving false impressions about what overclocking IS really about.

Not an easy thing to do but if it's going to be done at all, someone has to do it..... And that's the rest of us so be happy we're willing to so you don't have to yourself. 

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On 4/29/2018 at 4:48 PM, Freestyler said:

I do think we are over-representing the WinXP/7 community here :/ I'm not saying there are 0 users, but the vast majority is on Win10

You have it the wrong way around - the vast majority is on Windows 10 because Microsoft baited / deceived / forced users into upgrading to it and imposed the artificial limitation of DirectX 12 only on Windows 10. If it was a practical option I'd run 7 or 8.1 on my daily but Microsoft made sure that it isn't. If anything, the O.C. community is a purer reflection of what people actually want than everyone else.

Don't worry, 10 being a "perpetual O.S." means this same conversation will come up in 5 or 10 years' time - but this time we'll be talking about how requiring Windows 10 build 1703 over build 9999 is turning noobies off, making it even more frustrating and confusing.

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7 hours ago, unityofsaints said:

You have it the wrong way around - the vast majority is on Windows 10 because Microsoft baited / deceived / forced users into upgrading to it and imposed the artificial limitation of DirectX 12 only on Windows 10. If it was a practical option I'd run 7 or 8.1 on my daily but Microsoft made sure that it isn't. If anything, the O.C. community is a purer reflection of what people actually want than everyone else.

Don't worry, 10 being a "perpetual O.S." means this same conversation will come up in 5 or 10 years' time - but this time we'll be talking about how requiring Windows 10 build 1703 over build 9999 is turning noobies off, making it even more frustrating and confusing.

Very good post man ... I applaud that writing :)

M$ listened closely to it's third party partners. Gather all the information you can on the consumer. That's right down to key strokes on the keyboard.

Back in my day that was called key logging. Data collecting, why is it so aggressive? Supposedly it's for our benefit. ie a critical error can be prevented or maybe not.

Then your admin can do nothing & the OS is stealth patched without your knowledge. No harm done right it's fixed for you. Do you like your privacy or being tracked

what ever you do? How about what you click online as interested ... then all the following adds perhaps the next day prompt you to buy

 

Telemetry the dirty word. :P They gave it a name but it's been around since windows 2000. 

Windows 10 the operation systems that promises to do all. Lot's of shit in there we don't need, so you better root it out of there & make it lite.

Forced upgrade ... how about unwittingly create a step to stealth load the OS ready for deployment? Plenty did that right.

FU user if you have small quota ... your 3G broadband it just runs out & you do not know why. Weeks to the deadline of having to actually pay for the bloat 10

Your Internets not working restart restart restart oh now it's fine must be that shitty Win7. I'll just grab the Win10 for free while I can xD

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On 3/16/2019 at 3:57 PM, avalanche said:

 

The Legacy Benchmarks are part of HWbot & they need to stay as most of us here still enjoy them :)

The legacy benchmarks is what started HWBot and the need for people to feel competitive and be rewarded for it.

If you haven't or are not willing to run Legacy benchmarks, then (in my opinion not at any one here directly) your not a bencher. you haven't experienced it, you can't be it. 

Perhaps some game benchmarks to gather the gaming crowd. Lots of titles with built in benchmarks. Shit even Crysis. The old saying.... Can it run Crysis? lol.

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