Jokot Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What if we used the already existing competition points for the seasonal ranking? those already expire and you are not competing against old scores, for me at least the competitions has been one of the main thing keeping me interested and forcing me to get into new hardware. For this to be possible we would however need to focus even more on making good competitions covering a broad range of hardware to keep every one happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed.fastest Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Whats wrong with older score & older cpu-z & gpu-z? as long as it works & not buggy we should not ban it. Dont make it over complicated. Edited December 3, 2018 by speed.fastest 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblock990 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Banning sandbags? Edited December 3, 2018 by bigblock990 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techjesse Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) bigblock990..LOL We need a new "Rev."! Every time I post a new sub with a better score, my old score get the points removed and my new score points are not added!!!! The Bot needs to be updated! This whole thing is about NUMBERS... Edited December 3, 2018 by techjesse spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, richba5tard said: What would be the impact of inactivity? No member points nor league points? What is inactivity? No submissions or not visiting HWBOT? IMO, inactivity is no submissions. I'm only speaking from a team standpoint, meaning no TPP from an inactive team member. Example: there are teams of over a thousand members that still rank very high in team standings even though there are less than a dozen "active" members still subbing. They maintain their team rank based on just the sheer amount of deadwood members. Remove the TPP from the deadwood and use only the active members and you have a much clearer outlook on how the team league stacks up. In theory this should reduce the load on your server also because you won't have to calc any deadwood until they sub and are no longer deadwood. It should also impact your 'stagnation' factor in the teams league. Edited December 3, 2018 by Mr.Scott 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasttrack Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Folks, Does anyone REALLY believe that there are 204.959 Enthusiast members active ? Yes, I understand that from a marketing point of view, any new visitor here that thinks to join, says WOW. Truth though is so far-far away. I strongly doubt that there are no more than 15.000 active members in TOTAL, league irrelevant. And this is an extremely optimistic number. For example : An individual comes in here 10-5-3 years ago, submits 5-10-20 scores and never returns. All these stay in the database and are taken into account every single time a re-calculation happens. What is the meaning of retaining all these in the database ? Even Windows OS, has an option " delete old files " - " free up disk space " - " Defragment " My understanding is that this is a rational approach, easy to apply and does not hurt anyone. Not even the "marketing point of view". Registered users is one thing - benching members is another. Just my 2 cents. Edited December 3, 2018 by Fasttrack 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unityofsaints Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fasttrack said: What is the meaning of retaining all these in the database ? The more results there are in a category, the more points someone gets for first. This is a ranking site - points matter. Otherwise why not delete all except gold for 4700K /6700K / 7700K / 8700K submissions? 9900K is faster. Edited December 4, 2018 by unityofsaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richba5tard Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Mr.Scott said: IMO, inactivity is no submissions. I'm only speaking from a team standpoint, meaning no TPP from an inactive team member. Example: there are teams of over a thousand members that still rank very high in team standings even though there are less than a dozen "active" members still subbing. They maintain their team rank based on just the sheer amount of deadwood members. Remove the TPP from the deadwood and use only the active members and you have a much clearer outlook on how the team league stacks up. In theory this should reduce the load on your server also because you won't have to calc any deadwood until they sub and are no longer deadwood. It should also impact your 'stagnation' factor in the teams league. I think this is an interesting idea. Why limit it to teams though? Why not base member & country rankings too on active members. They can't complain, otherwise they would be active. Computation wise it would not be that big a difference though, because the submissions of inactive members would still impact the rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed.fastest Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) What valuable on HWBot is database, i think you will lose more with auto removing older database. I dont agree on removing older database of inactive member. Edited December 4, 2018 by speed.fastest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richba5tard Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, speed.fastest said: What valuable on HWBot is database, i think you will lose more with auto removing older database. I dont agree on removing older database of inactive member. We are not talking about removing it from the ranking, nor from stripping points from the old submissions. What is under discussion is whether inactive members should receive member points / have an impact on team and country ranking. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 11 hours ago, Mr.Scott said: IMO, inactivity is no submissions. I'm only speaking from a team standpoint, meaning no TPP from an inactive team member. Example: there are teams of over a thousand members that still rank very high in team standings even though there are less than a dozen "active" members still subbing. They maintain their team rank based on just the sheer amount of deadwood members. Remove the TPP from the deadwood and use only the active members and you have a much clearer outlook on how the team league stacks up. In theory this should reduce the load on your server also because you won't have to calc any deadwood until they sub and are no longer deadwood. It should also impact your 'stagnation' factor in the teams league. Scott If an old team member , with a 10 year old sub , is still best of it's class ... (today's team benchers cant even come close to his scores) , no TPP ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, richba5tard said: We are not talking about removing it from the ranking, nor from stripping points from the old submissions. What is under discussion is whether inactive members should receive member points / have an impact on team and country ranking. We can also pretend , that OC LEGENDS of the past .... were never here !!! Lets delete them all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GeorgeStorm Posted December 4, 2018 Members Share Posted December 4, 2018 You could end up with some kind of 'retired' league, where users are put when inactive, so you can still see where they would rank etc, but the 'main' leagues are full of only active benchers, would make them more dynamic/relevant without 'losing' anything? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richba5tard Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 34 minutes ago, TASOS said: We can also pretend , that OC LEGENDS of the past .... were never here !!! Lets delete them all. Well, the legends would not mind as they are not active. To be serious, if we had seasonal leagues since day one legends would never fade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, richba5tard said: Well, the legends would not mind as they are not active. To be serious, if we had seasonal leagues since day one legends would never fade. No comment. You just wrote history. I really hope it was a bad expression in English language ... or a bad moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed.fastest Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Agreed with @TASOS, its not all about me and you, legend is there for reasons. If you can't beat them, dont do something againts them. You all will retiring too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsbeach98 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 They wouldnt be taken out of the database the points just wouldnt be accredited to the teams. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasttrack Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, richba5tard said: Well, the legends would not mind as they are not active. To be serious, if we had seasonal leagues since day one legends would never fade. History can't be wiped not even by God. There is no book, document, database, records in written form or digital form, for ANYTHING in this world that can be wiped or deleted or ignored. From medicine, to pioneers at any field, to NASA astronauts that went to the moon, to ANYTHING. Unless a lunatic drops a nuclear bomb ( or more ) and everything is physically destroyed. We must be EXTREMELY careful on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richba5tard Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 7 hours ago, TASOS said: No comment. You just wrote history. I really hope it was a bad expression in English language ... or a bad moment. Please explain because i'm a bit slow. If we had seasonal leagues since day one, you could see a legendary overclocker would take a top spot every year he was active. That's awesome. But in rev7 his legacy slowly declines as every year his records are beaten, and he has less and less points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblock990 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 What is the ETA for implementing rev8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richba5tard Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 1/1/2019 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 6 hours ago, macsbeach98 said: They wouldnt be taken out of the database the points just wouldnt be accredited to the teams. Why ? Not worth it ? Not deserved ? .... and we have to do this , just for the shake of less server load ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richba5tard Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 No, this suggestion is not of me. I still think it's worth discussing as it means you are competing against active members. It's hard to see that as a negative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, richba5tard said: Please explain because i'm a bit slow. ..... Quote Well, the legends would not mind as they are not active. To be serious ... You are asking me to explain , why your phrase (expression) was totally wrong from the moment you started typing ? I do not wish to do this in public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richba5tard Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Then do it in private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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