bigblock990 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Very nice post Alva Having vendor support is definitely nice, but its not all rainbows and unicorns like some here sure seem to think. I voted for 2 leagues, but am liking the 3 league suggestions. Elite / all others / rookie (3-6months) Edited November 30, 2018 by bigblock990 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleslammer Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Voted two, 3 sounds better. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Ok so if we want to think elite is all gravy too what if you literally work for a company. Would that be SUPER ELITE FTW Half life 3 edition leauge? Should we put hicookie, elmor, toppc, nickshih in a leauge by themselves? What if you work for or are paid by a computer store giant like roman, rsann should you also have a special league? That is even more beneficial imo to have retail access for comps etc....than getting a couple ES CPUs and mobos. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky_n00b Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Splave said: Ok so if we want to think elite is all gravy too what if you literally work for a company. Would that be SUPER ELITE FTW Half life 3 edition leauge? Should we put hicookie, elmor, toppc, nickshih in a leauge by themselves? What if you work for or are paid by a computer store giant like roman, rsann should you also have a special league? That is even more beneficial imo to have retail access for comps etc....than getting a couple ES CPUs and mobos. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think those 'league' matter much when I'm benching :p It will always be my target to try catching up with those 'Gods', even though sometimes its frustrating not being able to match them no matter how much I tried, but it just means I can get better, little by little (I have been trying to turn my OC hobbies to a job position at some vendor, no success after 10 years but I haven't stopped trying yet lol ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimandsally Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, unityofsaints said: Ok so if reducing the no. of leagues really helps with maintenance and modding costs I'd break it down like this: Rookie - Cheap to maintain (just a 3 month cutoff), encourages fresh blood = stays Novice - Just another time-limited league, Novice Nimble comps no longer run, what's the difference to enthusiast anymore? = remove Enthusiast - Really messy to mod due to the cold climates / H2O vs. chiller issues = remove Apprentice - We need a league between extreme and rookie. Maybe redesigned a bit to include cascade? = stays Extreme - Tons and tons of activity here as LN2 is very popular. Need a league that is the "opposite" of apprentice = stays Elite - Messiest to moderate! What exactly is sponsorship? Are there enough sponsored OCers to make up a ranking? I say it's not worth the overhead = remove So I would be happy with staying with the current system or condensing the rankings down to at least 3 leagues. Fewer leagues than that would be annoying to work with and cause too many OCers to give up or not even join in the first place imo. I agree apart from the Elite, Elite gives the XOC guys something to aim for Elite is the F1 of overclocking we need Elite. Elite doesn't mean free these guys work hard for what they get, I wouldn't want to ever be Elite I couldn't put in the time required to get the parts. Its always the same in life the grass is always greener. Edited November 30, 2018 by kimandsally Change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco.is.not.80 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Merge the Enthusiast League with the Apprentice League. That takes care of the "prove your cooling" issue. Merge the Novice League with the Rookie League. Reclassify Extreme and Elite as "Elite - not sponsored" and "Elite - sponsored". My two cents. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Oh yes. My vote goes for this ^. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasttrack Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, marco.is.not.80 said: Merge the Enthusiast League with the Apprentice League. That takes care of the "prove your cooling" issue. Merge the Novice League with the Rookie League. Reclassify Extreme and Elite as "Elite - not sponsored" and "Elite - sponsored". My two cents. Yes, I like it too. Simple and rational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 What do we do with asus lhe results, lhe leauge? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 45 minutes ago, marco.is.not.80 said: Merge the Enthusiast League with the Apprentice League. That takes care of the "prove your cooling" issue. Merge the Novice League with the Rookie League. Reclassify Extreme and Elite as "Elite - not sponsored" and "Elite - sponsored". My two cents. Even that is too complicated, just make it Rookie and Enthusiast league with no cooling limitations at all so that the only thing that determines league is time on the bot. If you're able to drop 50 hardware golds and take half the global firsts in your first 6 months of OC then you deserve to be top of the rookie league no matter your cooling, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richiec77 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 3 leagues seems the best way. You need a method of bringing in fresh, new blood or this e-peen sport will grow stale. So the Novice league is a good way to start out. It's unlimited and whatever you can use goes. Time limit works. Maybe arrange for 2 Rookie-Rumbles each year to entice newcomers. Work with Youtubers to promote this idea as it seems to be the fastest growing marketing Avenue. Those marketeers (really most are advertising venues) can possibly assist in sponsoring those rookie comps thru Hardware vendors. The cooling aspect: not everyone can afford to invest for SS, DICE, LN2. So a line should be drawn there. If your investing in a SS and up, your preparing to ultimately make the jump to the highest level which is LN2. So elite at SS and above. Chillers on down to Air in another League. The difference from an Ice chest to a Chiller is not much at all. If you luck out and get a golden ambient chip that's cool. Those that don't can try to catch up with chilled waters and higher voltages. Free hardware vs none: I don't have experience here so IDK how much of a difference it makes overall. But there should be a mechanism to to show Sponsored vs Non-Sponsored. So 3 tiers: Rookie/Novice, Enthusiest, Elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niobium615 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 It doesn't seem like we have enough opinions in this thread, so I'll throw mine in too. -Agreed with a lot of the others above, having Rookie and Novice seems redundant -> merge these two into a single Rookie league with a time limit of somewhere between 3 and 12 months(maybe 6 months would be a good number) - From what I've seen, the biggest issues with cooling come from mods having to define a line between ambient water and chilled water; I have seen few/no accusations of people in Apprentice running LN2, it's usually pretty obvious from clocks. There's also a clear separation in expense and complexity between sticking a radiator outside/in a bucket of ice vs. SS/DICE and colder. Anyone can do the former, jumping to the latter shows a more serious commitment to OC. This lends SS and colder as a good starting point for the Extreme league. - OTOH, there's also a reasonable argument to be made that SS/DICE is substantially cheaper for most people than LN2/Cascade. That would make "colder than DICE" the other possible cutoff for the Extreme league. Personally, I think the SS cutoff makes more sense, especially since anything warmer is much more achievable for the "average" user, but I wouldn't have a problem with either one. Either way, I think chilled water setups should definitely be allowed in Enthusiast. - I'm in favor of having an Elite league, even ignoring the question of binning, having access to ES BIOSes, mobos, software, etc., along with an easier time getting technical questions answered, does seem like a substantial advantage to me. In the end, I don't really care though, I wouldn't be heartbroken if Elite was merged with Extreme. Just gives me another excuse when I can't get first place a reason to push harder. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 This is a waterchiller which can go even to -60. Also,people using the ice bucket method with ice plus antigel in the freezer at -30 degrees make the whole enthusiast league seem pointless. Merge enthusiast with apprentice and you get rid of the problems. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropluszero Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Splave said: Ok so if we want to think elite is all gravy too what if you literally work for a company. Would that be SUPER ELITE FTW Half life 3 edition leauge? Should we put hicookie, elmor, toppc, nickshih in a leauge by themselves? What if you work for or are paid by a computer store giant like roman, rsann should you also have a special league? That is even more beneficial imo to have retail access for comps etc....than getting a couple ES CPUs and mobos. This is the only true elite. oh, and you forgot Vince haha. also this proposed elite season system, would you call it "Pro OC" lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casanova Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Splave said: What do we do with asus lhe results, lhe leauge? No more cooling categories, only 3 categories: sponsored, non sponsored and rookie, simple as that. Guys, we need to simplify things for Hwbot staff, and getting rid of rankings based on cooling categories looks pretty reasonable. Edited December 1, 2018 by Casanova 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed.fastest Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 10 hours ago, Splave said: What do we do with asus lhe results, lhe leauge? There is no way we would ban cooling, LHE is extreme, just more expensive extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulshooter Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Not ban LHE Results, but no Points, because LHe was very expensive and we cant buy it in Germany 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimandsally Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 19 hours ago, suzuki said: This is a waterchiller which can go even to -60. Also,people using the ice bucket method with ice plus antigel in the freezer at -30 degrees make the whole enthusiast league seem pointless. Merge enthusiast with apprentice and you get rid of the problems. I want I want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 It was for sale ,not long ago by poparamiro. 6 ghz on 4770k and the same on 7700k :)),monster chiller made for quad cards setup by @nachtfalke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzie Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 i havent voted yet coz i think it may be 3, not 2 to have from what ive read , so im hanging off, my vote would mean jack all anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) On 11/30/2018 at 8:28 PM, marco.is.not.80 said: Merge the Enthusiast League with the Apprentice League. That takes care of the "prove your cooling" issue. Merge the Novice League with the Rookie League. Reclassify Extreme and Elite as "Elite - not sponsored" and "Elite - sponsored". My two cents. Not bad. I think the league definition should go by the availability/cost of the cooling option. Benchin with LN2 / SS/ DICE required investment of all sorts. Benching outdoor at -30C required living in Canada, Russia or wherever else... Using ice and putting it in a bucket requires a freezer, which everybody has in his kitchen. If you mix it with ethanol or whatever, it is your responsability to declare it, but not mine to do the same or better (if I don t intend to do so...) Hence, my choice would go to : - Sub Zero Sponsored - Sub Zero non Sponsored - Above Zero C - Rookies/Novice but also fine with the above proposal... I'd feel sorry for the Enthusiasts though. but in all cases, I don t see why enthusiast/apprentice should go with extreme... Edited January 14, 2019 by bolc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasttrack Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, bolc said: but also fine with the above proposal... I'd feel sorry for the Enthusiasts though Don't feel sorry for the Enthusiasts. A very significant percentage of this category are cheaters benching on some kind of cold. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolc Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Fasttrack said: Don't feel sorry for the Enthusiasts. A very significant percentage of this category are cheaters benching on some kind of cold. A very significant percentage..... In my opinion, this is BS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy22 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 If i can choose, i think i'll vote for "NO LEAGUE"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasttrack Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, bolc said: A very significant percentage..... In my opinion, this is BS... 1) Watch your mouth mister. We are not in a saloon with drunks around us. 2) If you do not have the info I have ( and many more in here ), what orgies happen with "enthusiast cooling", better keep silent. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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