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Here is the screen you asked for. 
I put the dual channel proof also in the screenie. 

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Thank you in advance.

 

edit: 20:50 - I noticed a NB voltage of 1.8v was/should be possible in the old modded bios. 

 

For those of you looking for voltage points for this board:

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NB/AGP

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245MHz FSB with 2x512MB tccd

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The screenshot is fine. The CMOS register 73+74+75+76+77+78 are free. Just like I expected.

That timing is perfect, i just finished the BIOS mods. Some things left to say:

  • the FSB Frequency is limited in the BIOS by 233MHz. I can not fix that.
  • 256KB BIOS!
  • BPL is 3.02 by default, I left it in the original version. I do not own good BPL Versions for 256kb BIOSes.
  • I moved some options in the BIOS structure.
  • unlocked all options, that make sense.
  • This BIOS versions should work, but they are completely untested! I will not be responsible for any damages! Having a programmed backup bios chip before flashing is not a bad idea.

DeltaL_59_EBED_A6.zip DeltaL_59_ED_A6.zip DeltaL_59_X1_A6.zip DeltaL_59_DDED_A6.zip

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29 minutes ago, digitalbath said:

The screenshot is fine. The CMOS register 73+74+75+76+77+78 are free. Just like I expected.

That timing is perfect, i just finished the BIOS mods. Some things left to say:

  • the FSB Frequency is limited in the BIOS by 233MHz. I can not fix that.
  • 256KB BIOS!
  • BPL is 3.02 by default, I left it in the original version. I do not own good BPL Versions for 256kb BIOSes.
  • I moved some options in the BIOS structure.
  • unlocked all options, that make sense.
  • This BIOS versions should work, but they are completely untested! I will not be responsible for any damages! Having a programmed backup bios chip before flashing is not a bad idea.

DeltaL_59_EBED_A6.zip 415.67 kB · 0 downloads DeltaL_59_ED_A6.zip 415.6 kB · 0 downloads DeltaL_59_X1_A6.zip 415.57 kB · 0 downloads DeltaL_59_DDED_A6.zip 415.69 kB · 0 downloads

Thank you verry much. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

I just noticed it is a smaller sized bios. I will test all versions later this week. I never flash any of my boards without using the external programmer so that should be no problem.

edit: 
I want to remove the vdimm mosfet first so that I can use FireRAM, it doesn’t like 5v. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, digitalbath said:

BPL is 3.02 by default, I left it in the original version. I do not own good BPL Versions for 256kb BIOSes.

Can't you use the 512kb bios BPLs for 256kb bios? So just port over BPL 3.19 and done?

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Afaik cpu-z reports dualchannel as soon as both dimm slots are populated. Even on my A7N8X-X (singlechannel) cpu-z reports dualchannel. Make sure to test this by running 32M or a similar benchmark which scales with bandwidth. I expect that the shown "dual" ist just plain wrong.

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41 minutes ago, Tzk said:

@Sparks.nl

Afaik cpu-z reports dualchannel as soon as both dimm slots are populated. Even on my A7N8X-X (singlechannel) cpu-z reports dualchannel. Make sure to test this by running 32M or a similar benchmark which scales with bandwidth. I expect that the shown "dual" ist just plain wrong.

I didn’t know, I will test it. 

Edit: I am still Expecting it to be dual channel, why else coding the dimm slots in different colors. 
 

edit 2: manual 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/K7N2_DeltaL_ILSR#down-manual

It seems to be dual channel. 

 

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Perfect! I assumed that it's singlechannel... Also 245Mhz with TCCD is great. Took a lot of effort to get 250MHz stable on my A7N8X Deluxe... I can't even manage this on all of my TCCD sticks either (4x Corsair 3200XL v1.2 fail to pass 245MHz) and only my Geil Ultra-X Kit manages 250Mhz on NF2...

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This is a better then usual kit for this kind of testing. Somehow it is more friendly.

But I will test with the new bios files as well. I had the feeling that it was not on par with the nf7, altough mem voltage was not that high...

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1 hour ago, Tzk said:

Can't you use the 512kb bios BPLs for 256kb bios? So just port over BPL 3.19 and done?

The Code from the 512kb BPL seems to be longer than from 256kb BIOS versions. 512kb bpl would fit in the free space, but i doubt it will work. Since i am not able to test it, i don't want to risk it.

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54 minutes ago, digitalbath said:

The Code from the 512kb BPL seems to be longer than from 256kb BIOS versions. 512kb bpl would fit in the free space, but i doubt it will work. Since i am not able to test it, i don't want to risk it.

I have an external BIOS programmer. I can fix any corrupt BIOS on a different pc.

There is no possible hardware damage is there?

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It simply won't boot. :)

I've just compared the 3.04 BPL of A7N8X Deluxe and A7N8X-X and they're almost identical. So that may (or may not) work. Here's the 3.04 BPL from A7N8X Deluxe v2.0 (stock bios) and A7N8X-X (Trats 1010-xmod2). I'm curios what those minor different values actually do... :D I guess i'll get my -X board and try it myself...

 

A7N8X-X-BPL304-CPC-on BPL304-cpc-on.bpl

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The Deluxe BPL is from a 512kb bios and the -X BPL is from a 256kb singlechannel bios. No clue if those work on your MSI, i just uploaded these for documentation. As long as we haven't tested porting from 512kb to 256kb i'd assume that these won't work.

I just booted my A7N8X-X with the 1010mod2 bios. I'll now check memory bandwidth and then try to flash a 512kb BPL.

EDIT:

1. Using a 256kb Dualchannel BPL (3.09 taken from A7N8X v1.0) on the A7N8X-X Singlechannel 256kb Bios won't boot

2. Using a 512kb Dualchannel BPL (3.04 taken from A7N8X v2.0) on A7N8X-X Singlechannel 256kb Bios won't boot either

3. -X won't boot with regular A7N8X v1.0 bios.

4. A7N8X-X will boot with 512kb bios chip and A7N8X Deluxe v2.0 bios

When trying 4) i was speechless... when the board POSTed... 😮

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Nice, will it become dc as well with that bios? As a bios fix needed only?

 

@digitalbath I just flashed the k7n2-ilsr bios on a 512 bios chip and succesfully booted to Windows.

modding the latest 7.80 bios for ilsr should work and solve the 256 issue. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Sparks.nl said:

Nice, will it become dc as well with that bios? As a bios fix needed only?

No clue, i need to investigate if the -X actually runs in DC by benching it. At least it reports "dual channel" on the POST screen, but that migh just be due to the new bios.

Ha, grats for using the ISLR bios on a 512K chip to boot the regular delta. Nice! Seems like the different versions aren't that different if you can swap the bioses around... :D Good to know that it works with delta-l/ISLR and a7n8x(-x).

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The only thing that i found when using another bios is that you sometimes need to disable inboard components, else it'll hang when POSTing. Besides that, if it boots it'll mostly work.

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I just ran pi 1m CB 2003 and wprime 32m. These gave no issues. 
8rdavore still works as well so it seems all fine. 

Edit: I forgot to tell that I know for some time now that all mod bios files from nf7-s v2.0 can be used on nf7 v2.0 non sata version. I noticed that on Ebay nf7 version are not sold that quickly... 

Edit 2: Just quicktested the EBED (256k) modded bios for the -L and it works fine. 
 

Edit 3: 260FSB using tccd, no hw mods were done:

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Above seems a good reason to take this board more seriously. I used 1.7v for NB and 2.8v for tccd. 
 

@digitalbath: can you look if there is a hidden nb or agp voltage?

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22 hours ago, Sparks.nl said:

Edit 2: Just quicktested the EBED (256k) modded bios for the -L and it works fine.

Edit 3: 260FSB using tccd, no hw mods were done:

Perfect. I guess you also got those extra options modded in? I found that some of these are extremely helpful when it comes to high fsb with 2x512mb sticks.

Regarding the 260Mhz TCCDs: Is that (at least) 32M stable? I took tons of effort for me to get 250Mhz through 32M with my Geil Ultra-X.

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2 hours ago, Tzk said:

Perfect. I guess you also got those extra options modded in? I found that some of these are extremely helpful when it comes to high fsb with 2x512mb sticks.

Regarding the 260Mhz TCCDs: Is that (at least) 32M stable? I took tons of effort for me to get 250Mhz through 32M with my Geil Ultra-X.

I ran it on auto. I only set mem timings. 
I am just quicktesting for now. 

Mem @3.2v since vtt does not scale (yet)

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@Sparks.nl the mod BIOS files for the MSI Delta-ILSR, based on official 7.8 BIOS:

  • the FSB Frequency is limited in the BIOS by 233MHz. I can not fix that.

  • 512kb BIOS!

  • BPL 3.19

  • I moved some options in the BIOS structure.

  • unlocked some settings

  • Be careful! This BIOS versions are completely untested. I will not be responsible for any damages! I would recommend to own a programmed backup bios chip before flashing this mod BIOSes.

 

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Your program works with AMI based boards!

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I set PCI Latency timer to 64 clocks in BIOS. AGP Sideband Addressing doesn't seem to be working properly. If I set this in the BIOS to enable, the field is blank. If I set it to disable, the program says enable. I will look at the register values...

Changing romsips in AMI is easy. They are uncompressed at the end of the main BIOS. There are four tables for 100MHz, 133MHz, 166MHz and 200MHz (no Interface off/on). I simply changed the romsips, then I opened the modded BIOS with AMIBCP_v3.37 and saved it (to correct checksum?).

Not all of known romsips (X1, ED..) will work with AMI based BIOSes. I guess a Value in the first part of the romsips does not work with AMI. I will test more...

 

Delta-ILSR_DDED_A6.zip Delta-ILSR_EBED_A6.zip Delta-ILSR_ED_A6.zip Delta-ILSR_X1_A6.zip

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