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@Mr.Scott

Could you give credit to @digitalbath when posting Vmods for the K7NF2? Also that "crap board" does 260Mhz+ 32M... :)

https://warp9-systems.proboards.com/thread/1327/asrock-k7nf2-raid-mods?page=1&scrollTo=39936

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/amd-sockel-a.584473/page-99#post-27560667

Maybe the K7NF2 does also work with the 12V rail mod... Actually it's not that crappy as one might think.

 

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I am not surprised. Auto660 modded this board earlier this year and that board ran well as well. 

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42 minutes ago, 4n0nym0u5b3nch3r said:

I wish someone would buy my A7N8X-X so I have more room for fun stuff :^) a better AXP board.

 

Make it validate 300mhz it it will go quickly:)

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11 hours ago, Tzk said:

@Mr.Scott

Could you give credit to @digitalbath when posting Vmods for the K7NF2? Also that "crap board" does 260Mhz+ 32M... :)

https://warp9-systems.proboards.com/thread/1327/asrock-k7nf2-raid-mods?page=1&scrollTo=39936

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/amd-sockel-a.584473/page-99#post-27560667

Maybe the K7NF2 does also work with the 12V rail mod... Actually it's not that crappy as one might think.

 

Certainly. 

Please don't think I was trying to nic somebody elses work. That's not the case. Just wanted to add the pics to the public volt mod section of my site, in case anybody wanted them.

Didn't really think that was a big deal.

 

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It isn't a big deal, i just noticed it and thought i'd point it out. That's why i posted it as a question and not as accusation :) 

@4n0nym0u5b3nch3r

Well, the -X is singlechannel. As long as we can't make DC work that board isn't interesting at all. At least for benching. SC will give you a disadvantage in 32M and for valids the NF7 is wayyy more interesting, because 2.25V Vcore. And the -X doesn't even have SATA... I own two of these myself and still got to test if we can mod dualchannel into it or if nvidia somehow blocked it inside the chipset on silicon level.

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Sorry to ask this but i skimmed through the thread looking for a A7N8X Deluxe bios for pcb 1.04/1.06 and didn't find any, am i just blind or is there none? :)

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18 hours ago, TAGG said:

A7N8X Deluxe bios for pcb 1.04/1.06

There are mods for v1.x: http://bierbude.spdns.org:2302/Mod-BIOS und mehr/Asus/

Just be aware that the 1.x boards use the old (non Ultra 400) NF2 chipset. I'd expect about 220Mhz fsb at max. If you want 230Mhz++ then you have to go for v2.x. It's the same as with Abit NF7 v1.x and v2.x. Personally i'd use the Trats bios as it got DFI romsips and a newer sata rom included.

For A7N8X-E i'd go for the digitalbath bios with ED, ED55 or EBED romsips anytime: http://bierbude.spdns.org:2302/USER UPLOADS/digitalbath/ASUS A7N8X-E/

And for the regular v2.x Deluxe i'd use: http://bierbude.spdns.org:2302/USER UPLOADS/Tzk/Asus/A7N8X Deluxe v2.0/

I haven't uploaded my latest bios for the regular Deluxe yet. I added a few other options which digitalbath already included in his -E bios. Still all bios versios are able to hit 260Mhz+ if the boards chipset can handle it.

 

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By accident I found 2 GEIL 1 GB dimms which do C2-2-2-5 1T @420MHz and 3v (never tried lowering the voltage). 
 

I never knew this was possible. Let alone on Socket A with it’s limited memory controller when looking at NF4. 
They have a Brainpower pcb as well. 
 

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When looking at the bottom they are not Winbond. Is this Elixer? 

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Not for nuthin but that's 210 MHz and DDR 420. 

Socket A max's out at 300 MHz or a little better. That's DDR 600.

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43 minutes ago, Mr.Scott said:

Not for nuthin but that's 210 MHz and DDR 420. 

Socket A max's out at 300 MHz or a little better. That's DDR 600.

I think that was what I was saying. But the point was it is running c2 tight. A 1GB dimm is running c2 tight...

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It can't be winbond as those haven't got enough density. Winbond is 512mb doublesided only. That leaves us with the usual suspects: Samsung, Hynix, Micron, Nanya, Mosel, Infineon and Promos.

UCCC got 6 dots and usually doesn't run at 2-2-2 -> no UCCC

Micron hasn't got a straight edge -> no micron

That leaves us with Infineon, Mosel, Nanya, Promos and Hynix.

Maybe you can compare with the chips listed here: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/der-ddr1-ram-chip-thread.1244468 Just make sure to compare with similar chips (density!) as for example Samsungs 256mbit and 512mbit chips (TCCD and UCCC) look way different.

My guess is that it's either extremely well binned Infineon (unlikely) or Nanya/Promos/Mosel. I don't think Hynix D5 can handle Trcd = 2 at 200Mhz.

 

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Didn’t Elixer make memory as well?
Samsung is using dots more close to each other so I ruled them out. 
 

I think I have to take the heathspreader off to really take a good look. I will look at that later (“at work” now). 

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20 hours ago, Sparks.nl said:

By accident I found 2 GEIL 1 GB dimms which do C2-2-2-5 1T @420MHz and 3v (never tried lowering the voltage). 
 

I never knew this was possible. Let alone on Socket A with it’s limited memory controller when looking at NF4. 
They have a Brainpower pcb as well. 
 

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When looking at the bottom they are not Winbond. Is this Elixer? 

Hynix D43

 

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Hynix can do C2-2-2–5 1T with 1 GB?

My pc4000 D43 from OCZ won’t run tight (512’s). 

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The problem is that those 4 metal dots on chips side are very common. Also Infineon BT and PowerChip have those metal dots in this arrangement but first one is usually not rated at CL3-4-4 and the later are quite rare chips and afaik nobody did OC them. Hynix however made several revisions of its chips, so OC behavior could improve over time because of better manufacturing process. If the GEIL were late produced, maybe you are just lucky. :)

It's actually not quite correct to speak of "D43" as its just the speed bin. The actual chip depends on chip density and revision. Anyway this is most likely a Hynix 512Mbit late Revision D4 IC. D4=CL3-4-4 DDR400.

I think when the party with DDR ram was over, because of the appearance of DDR2, interesting ICs appeared on the market but little is known about their OC potential. Even though I dont think there is still a chip out there which would be able to beat TCCD or BH to be OC relevant. But its an interesting field nonetheless as new DDR1 ICs were engineered till 2010. For example the successor of Infineon CE, the DE IC was available in 2008. Also Qimonda DF BGA ICs were introduced in 2009 and I saw results from someone with CF-5 already reaching DDR-600... You can find basically nothing about ELPIDA or Powerchip but who knows if a late revision of them is something interesting for us. ;)

Also Elixir is something like Kingston, they don't have their own chip design or even a fab. They just buy untested chips and place them on a pcb. Most Elixir chips I saw looks like to be Infineon BT. ProMos and Mosel are IMO also Infineon BT. Edit: Later ProMos and Mosel chips should be Elpida as Infineon left the Joint Venture and Elpida jumped in.

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Hynix got at least 3 different revisions (BT, CT and dt), two densities (256mbit and 512mbit), lead free packages (for example DTP-D43).
I tested 256mbit BT-D43 and DT-D43 in nforce 2, all sticks were 256mb singlerank.
The BT-D43 were able to pass 32M 3-4-4 at 257mhz (chipset limit) and the DT-D43 did 250 2.5-3-3 but failed above 255mhz, regardless of voltage or Timings.
All sticks were genuine hynix so no binning, just four random 256mb sticks.
All four Sticks passed 200mhz 2.5-3-2, cant remember If cl2 was possible. Trcd 2 however didnt post.

I've yet to try better hynix sticks like OCZ on NF2. Afaik OCZ made DDR500+ Hynix sticks. All in all Hynix seems to run well on NF2 and does achieve similar results to TCCDs. However TCCD is a nightmare on NF2 at 250MHz+...

 

 

 

 

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Yep, i've only seen up to D Revision sticks in the wild. I still want to try some Hynix D5's on NF2 or at least higher binned sticks. Maybe 2.5-3-3 is possible at 260MHz+ if the board is capable.

However even Infineon made D Revision Chips (DE-5) which are quite unknown. Same as Samsung ZCCC (BGA) or Qimonda CF-5 (also BGA).

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1 hour ago, Tzk said:

However even Infineon made D Revision Chips (DE-5) which are quite unknown. Same as Samsung ZCCC (BGA) or Qimonda CF-5 (also BGA).

They are rare but actually you can still find them today on ebay. AFAIR my DE-5 stick was better than all my CE-5s but nothing too phenomenal. Also I've never tested the single Qimonda DF-5 I own, can't even tell if it is working but also never saw one again, so these are actually ultra rare. I also guess those revisions, at least for Infineon, means a die shrink. 

Samsungs also had different revisions. Most, if not all TCCD are rev F. from 2004. But honestly dont know much about them. ZCCC can also be at least Rev F. However, I dont know how they overclock.

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I got Rev. F TCCDs with production date of week 42 2005, so there were newer chips made. However my Geil Ultra-X (unknown date, probably 2004) are by far better. The Corsair 3200XL v1.2s can't even reach their spec on Socket A (250MHz 2.3-3-3) but fail to pass 240Mhz 3-3-3. That's disappointing für TCCDs. The Ultra-X at least reach 250Mhz 2.5-3-3 primestable. I guess the NF2 just isn't doing well with these Samsung chips.

Same for 1gb Infineon CE-6 sticks and 512mb singlerank. Those fail to pass 210Mhz on my NF2 boards, regardless of voltage and timings. However 256mb Infineon BT-5 ( Corsair 3200C2PT v4.x) reach 250MHz 3-3-3-8 without issues.

The Nforce is indeed quite picky when it comes to certain ram chips. Winbond works incedibly well, Hynix too. Haven't tried Micron or some other type of Infineon yet.

 

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I have got some golden dragons which do 260 2-2-2-5 2t on nf2. And 1 XL kit makes it up to 260-265 c2.5 boot as well. 
 

Those Geil refuse 1t on nf2 and nf4

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My Qimonda DE-5 sticks do a good job on my nF2 systems, but I assume they do a better job on nF4 systems.

They only needed ~2,48V for this 264MHz / 3-3-2-8 / 32M run. nF2 is limiting here.

CPU-Z is wrong with the RAM size.

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