TASOS Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) https://www.maxon.net/en/products/cinebench-r20-overview/ Comments ? Thoughts ? Beta testing ? Quote TECHNICAL INFORMATION Cinebench R20 uses a much larger and more complex test scene than R15, requiring about 8x the computational power needed to render it. The test also requires about 4x the memory. Therefore, R15 and R20 results cannot be compared. Cinebench R20 and Cinema 4D R20 incorporate the latest rendering architectures, including integration of Intel’s Embree raytracing technology and advanced features on modern CPUs from AMD and Intel that allow users to render the same scene on the same hardware twice as fast as previously. Cinebench R20 provides improved benchmark accuracy for current and next-generation CPUs to test if a machine runs stable on a high-CPU load, if the cooling solution of a desktop or notebook is sufficient for longer-running tasks to deliver the full potential of the CPU, and if a machine is able to handle demanding real-life 3D tasks. Cinebench R20 does not test GPU performance. Cinebench R20 will not launch on unsupported processors. On systems lacking sufficient RAM to load the test scene, a warning will be displayed and the CPU benchmark will not be executed. Background tasks can significantly influence measurement and create diverse results. It's always a good idea to shut down all running programs and disable any virus checking or disk indexing but it's impossible to eliminate all background processes. Modern operating systems perform various background tasks that cannot or should not be disabled, even though they could have a minor influence on the results. Test results can vary slightly because it's impossible to disable every background task of the operating system. These tasks are one factor that may have a slight influence on measurements. Also, modern computers and graphics cards dynamically adjust clock speeds based on environmental conditions like power and temperature. For instance, processors will reduce clock speed when running too hot to allow for cooling and prevent damage. With many modern processors, the reverse is also true. They are able to overclock themselves when the temperature is low enough. Therefore, a system freshly started in a relatively cool environment will typically run faster than the same system that has been performing benchmarks for several hours in a heated office. Supported Systems PC Windows 7 SP1 64-bit or higher Intel or AMD 64-bit CPU with SSE3 & 4GB RAM MAC MacOS 10.11.6 or higher 64-bit CPU running on Intel-based Apple Macintosh & 4 GB RAM Edited March 6, 2019 by TASOS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ground Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Needs a wrapper for sure, just as easy to exploit as R15. With wrapper and proper windows 7 compatibility it could be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Does it work with W10? If not, what's the point of releasing it for W7 that's one year from being obsoleted by Microsoft and already has been by AMD and Intel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ground Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 41 minutes ago, Gunslinger said: Does it work with W10? If not, what's the point of releasing it for W7 that's one year from being obsoleted by Microsoft and already has been by AMD and Intel? Performance and compatibility with older stuff perhaps? It also seems to rely on HPET... its available for free in the microsoft store, works well in win 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max1024 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) Cib R20 works fine on Win7 x64 SP1 and Win10 x64 too. Download aviable from there: https://www.guru3d.com/files-get/download-maxon-cinebench,1.html https://www.techpowerup.com/download/maxon-cinebench/ 2 hours ago, TASOS said: Beta testing ? Maybe immediately to the battle for points? Why wait, the developer checked. Edited March 6, 2019 by max1024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 12 hours ago, max1024 said: Cib R20 works fine on Win7 x64 SP1 and Win10 x64 too. Download aviable from there: https://www.guru3d.com/files-get/download-maxon-cinebench,1.html https://www.techpowerup.com/download/maxon-cinebench/ Maybe immediately to the battle for points? Why wait, the developer checked. Because people that are deep into benchmarks , usually find their way to target , by ... bypassing safety checks. Needs testing. For instance , users say that , R20 seems to produce a lower mp ratio compared to R15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_mat_ Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) I've looked into R20. Timers have not changed much, it still relies mostly on timeGetTime (uses RTC) and additionally QueryPerformanceCounter (mostly TSC or HPET if manually enabled in OS). I still think that timeGetTime is the primary timer to measure performance as QPC is mostly used for UI dependend stuff internally in Windows while timeGetTime is only used if the developer chooses to do so. Anyways R20 should have the same OS/platform restrictions as R11.5 and R15. Btw timer calls can be easily shown with my TimerBench project (menu Tools => Measure). An advantage of R20 is the missing scriptability. While R15 is scriptable via Coffee script, R20 seems to have no such functionality. Coffee script support is huge vulnerability currently present in R15, an easy one-liner can simply set a new benchmark score. Problematic are the configuration options available to customize the benchmark run in R20. There are a number of options listed in resource/config.txt which can also be applied as a command line argument. I have not figured out yet if changing these values will impact the benchmark score. But it was possible for example to run the test with 128 threads instead of the normally chosen 16 for my 9900K (-200 points) and enable a console: So that should be looked at, but as far as I can see it, R20 might be the better choice in terms of security. Edited March 7, 2019 by _mat_ 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chispy Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Please add it so we can start building a database and have a good idea of the scoring. As far as my testing it seems memory scaling is negligible , it does scale with core clocks and uncore / mesh clocks so far , on my limited testing. Kind Regards: Chispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropluszero Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Thanks Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 ??? https://www.guru3d.com/news_story/cinebench_r20_download_taken_offline_after_legal_threat_from_maxon.html Quote Cinebench R20 download taken offline after legal threat from Maxon by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 03/07/2019 03:07 PM | source: | 45 comment(s) We have been happy to report that Maxon released a new revision of its CineBench benchmark Release 20. Unfortunately, Maxon has made a legal threat against Guru3D.com and is forcing us to take the Cinebench R20 download offline. Maxon Computer GmBh will only allow the download of Cinebench R20 through UWP (Microsoft Store). Though we strongly feel that this is a community tool which belongs in the public domain we obviously totally need to respect what the publisher deems appropriate for them. It’s unfortunate, but it is what it is. You can download Cinebench R20 through the Microsoft Store through this link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 At the same time ... https://www.techpowerup.com/download/maxon-cinebench/ Quote R20.0 Portable (March 6th, 2019) This version is a standalone version that works without the Microsoft Store, created by TechPowerUp. Just download, extract and run, it's fully portable. We've also included the missing Visual C runtime dependency and the manual. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 1:40 AM, TASOS said: At the same time ... https://www.techpowerup.com/download/maxon-cinebench/ This now links to the microsoft store, on this basis I'd say that kills the bench for hwbot until they can fix it. Especially since it's not any more secure to .ini "tweaks" than previous versions of cine are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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