Crew Leeghoofd Posted September 4, 2019 Crew Share Posted September 4, 2019 One hell of an update, thx to Matt and his crew Brand new installer, also installing Win7 requisites. Updating your benchmark versions automatically GPUPI 2.3 is supported again Check out the complete changelog at the new BenchMate website. GEEKBENCH IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED BY BENCHMATE, DO NOT INQUIRE AFTER SUPPORT!! CHECK OUT THE NEW RULES AT THE FRONTPAGE!! 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_mat_ Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 To clarify what is happening here with Geekbench: The developer of Geekbench threatened to sue me for integrating his benchmarks into BenchMate. Apparently I'm benefiting from his work by fixing his benchmark (for free) to make Geekbench results valid for competitive benchmarking. This is even more important for Geekbench 5, which is only available for Windows 10 but doesn't mitigate the "RTC bug" and will therefore have time drifting as a new "feature" for all AMD CPUs and Intel Pre-Skylake.? I tried to be polite, even apologized for my harsh words on the bot forums for calling the usage of timer functions 14 million times (!) during a single run as "incredibly stupid and obviously unnecessary". I know that I can be a straight-forward guy sometimes and a pain in the ass. Anyways, he couldn't forgive me for my "attacks" (as he calls them) and doesn't want to start fresh as I have proposed after the apology. So I was forced to remove all Geekbench versions from the Big Bundle of BenchMate, you will sadly have to install them manually now. This makes me really sad. The benchmark community is small and I think we should hold together and overcome stuff like that for a better future. Last but not least removing Geekbench was not enough, Primate Labs wants me to remove the integration or "if you continue to modify Geekbench in violation of the EULA we reserve the right to pursue additional remedies.". So my fellow overclockers, what should we do? Anybody here that still wants to have fun with Geekbench? The dev seriously doesn't give a fuck about the community, so why should we? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) @_mat_thank you for all your hard work for this community , I say we ditch geekbench and never give them another penny. I would love to see benchmate receive points when you and the devs of the bot think it is ready. Edited September 4, 2019 by Mythical tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_mat_ Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mythical tech said: @_mat_thank you for all your hard work for this community , I say we ditch geekbench and never give them another penny. I would love to see benchmate receive points when you and the devs of the bot think it is ready. Thanks! We are working on the integration into HWBOT. BenchMate will be an optional tool to submit results into the categories of supported benchmarks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) LoL I paid for my Geek 3 & 4. Then I pay supporting Benchmate ... #2 there joined. And I may have paid Geek5 soon Gone! ______________ Can you make your own benchmark? Matbencher Edited September 5, 2019 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbjaust Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) I got the email from John Poole of Primate Labs with the GB5 upgrade key and after reading the above I replied to that email suggesting he reconsider his position given that I for one wouldn't have bought GB3 if not for hwbot, nor would I have bought GB4 if not for Benchmate. I won't be giving Primate Labs any money in future unless their position changes. I also suggested that Primate Labs should be supportive of hwbot and BenchMate for driving sales of geekbench. Heh Edited September 4, 2019 by cbjaust 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 It's the way of the future. Kids don't like difficult OR too much effort. Win10 & all the benchmarks in 1x place. All one download. I can see benchmate becoming very popular. The software makers come to Mat & HWbot ... even a % their way for support. That's the way to keep newcomers " staying HWbot " benching on as enthusiasts or more after 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) Kinda have to agree. No reason HWB has to support GB at all. Dump it. Kinda stupid of the GB dev. He's cutting his own throat. Only benchers would ever buy his bench to begin with. He effectively just killed his only market. Edited September 5, 2019 by Leeghoofd 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeph8n Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 This honestly saddens me to no end that I purchased all three copies of GB and the Dev turns around and does this. I would have NEVER purchased any of the GB series if it wasn’t for HWBOT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) I'm fine with dumping geek bench. It's become bug bench anyways, maybe Matt can secure 2 other benches to replace them that are open source. Black hole time! Edited September 5, 2019 by Leeghoofd 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_mat_ Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, cbjaust said: I got the email from John Poole of Primate Labs with the GB5 upgrade key and after reading the above I replied to that email suggesting he reconsider his position given that I for one wouldn't have bought GB3 if not for hwbot, nor would I have bought GB4 if not for Benchmate. I won't be giving Primate Labs any money in future unless their position changes. I also suggested that Primate Labs should be supportive of hwbot and BenchMate for driving sales of geekbench. Heh You sir, are a hero! Thanks for the support, guys! You are my motivation! 34 minutes ago, Splave said: I'm fine with dumping geek bench. It's become bug bench anyways, maybe Matt can secure 2 other benches to replace them that are open source. Black hole time! I'm rethinking my stance on wPrime. Let's put in the effort and integrate it into BenchMate instead of Geekbench. I will add pifast as well, x265 is on my list and y-cruncher as well. Any requests? Edited September 5, 2019 by _mat_ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblock990 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) Sad news for sure that the geekbench dev is behaving this way. Unfortunately I already purchased gb5 key, otherwise after hearing this I for sure wouldn't be. I also purchased both gb3 and gb4 keys previously. I agree with Mr Scott above, who else even buys a geek key except for benchers? He literally is killing his market off. +1 from me for completely removing geekbench from hwbot. In other news, Thanks again to Mat for keeping up the great work!!! Edited September 5, 2019 by bigblock990 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed.fastest Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) Dump it from hwbot, geekbench dev doesnt even bother to hwbot as community or fixing it at least. Edited September 5, 2019 by speed.fastest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeph8n Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 @_mat_ the proposed benches sound great. Moving in that direction going forward sounds great. We need to support those who support us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cautilus Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Ditch Geekbench if they're gunna get all lawyer-y about it. Thanks Mat for all the time and money you've put into benchmate ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GtiJason Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I support whatever decision Mat and Leegh come to. If they don't want to play nice with the only real "Bench" community, then drop em. BenchMate/HWBot integration is the future for us imo ( 5g LCC Challenge again soon!? ) and where our $5 and $10 key money should be going anyways. BenchMate valid will be necessary for WR's etc. to be taken seriously going forward. Wouldn't be surprised if someone like Intel asks to make XTU relevant by adding it to BMate, for a fee of course 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky_n00b Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I'd be more than willing to donate to Benchmate projects, compared to giving my money for some company that doesn't care about the community of users which would buy and use their benchmark software - OK with ditching it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted September 5, 2019 Author Crew Share Posted September 5, 2019 K gonna play Devils advocate for a brief moment: We used Geekbench at the G.Skill Booth for the live competition. Scores were competitive and with a maxmem restriction it was a fair scalable/tweakable on memory benchmark. The fact that Geekbench is labelled as buggable is also part of our responsability as a community. To have the edge on the competition do we ALWAYS need to find a weak spot in coding,or behaviour? We are also shooting in our foot ladies and genetlemen Modern OC is sadly more and more focused on the aforementioned community behavior, not on raw clocks and pushing the hardware like when I started with OC. Do I approve mr Poole's behavior, absolutely not. I find it sad indeed that he cuts off positive criticizm to improve or making his benchmark more bulletproof. I propose for Mat's sake to let go of the Geekbenches with BenhMate and that we opt for removal of points. (but gonna make a poll for the latter and let the community decide) 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GeorgeStorm Posted September 5, 2019 Members Share Posted September 5, 2019 Whilst it's a shame how they responded, I also quite like gb3 and think it can be a great bench with both mem and core playing big roles. Instantly completely removing it off the back of this feels a bit like an overeaction but I'm with Leeg in that happy to try and let the community decide. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Leeghoofd said: K gonna play Devils advocate for a brief moment: We used Geekbench at the G.Skill Booth for the live competition. Scores were competitive and with a maxmem restriction it was a fair scalable/tweakable on memory benchmark. The fact that Geekbench is labelled as buggable is also part of our responsability as a community. I propose for Mat's sake to let go of the Geekbenches with BenhMate and that we opt for removal of points. (but gonna make a poll for the latter and let the community decide) Were not doing live comps most of us. 99.9% of us. So it will be rorted low mems & bug a few hundred points, easy shit right I tested this. That's the idea of benchmate to make it fair & lessen bugged scores. Without it sure it will be done open slather Third point. Sometimes a difficult nail you hit it hard with a bigger hammer. The hammer will never yield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 9 hours ago, _mat_ said: ny requests? 3D? Aquamarks ... that one is still fun. Ice Storm Unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_mat_ Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I have no personal vendetta against the Geekbench guy. I've always liked the Geekbenchs, that's why I integrated them in the first place. I am also a customer of his and have bought GB 3/4 and used it regularly for my reviews on overclockers.at. I'm concerned though where this is going. Geekbench has no mitigations for Windows 10, but still allows these scores to be uploaded to his database, even if they can possibly - with or without intention - be skewed. That's his right, but says a lot about the quality of his database too. But the bot has different, stricter rules than he applies. That forces the bot to do extra moderation based on uploaded screenshots, that can't rely completely on the validation links to the Geekbench browser. That's a very hard task, and time-consuming as well. Now BenchMate fixes these things and makes his scores compliant to the bot's standards, but he doesn't want it. That leaves us with a BenchMate that can't wrap all the benches we have. BenchMate is less useful for overclockers now, without any fault of its own. This lessens the chances that it will ever get fully adopted here because it is not allowed to support 4 point-giving benchmark categories. I'm talking about the many days it took me to integrate Geekbench correctly. I'm talking about decisions like these that are out of our hands but threating our future of being more accessible to newcomers and deliver more trustworthy results. That sucks. I also think that the community should decide on the next steps. Please just don't forget that this is not only about Geekbench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbjaust Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 How would Primate labs even know if a result had been run under the security of BenchMate anyway? Sounds to me like BenchMate is doing his precious database a service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_mat_ Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 They don't know. In fact any application like Cheat Engine can intrude Geekbench and change its timers to whatever and it wouldn't have a clue. New world record incoming ... 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_mat_ Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 The funny thing is that with the new Geekbench 5 integration I didn't even touch the timers. I can't do that with 14 million timer calls, HPET is too slow for that and there would be an impact of at least 1000 points on the score. So I'm merely tracking the calls and checking the timers for skewing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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