Mahameru Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Rtxsupercase said: So, my z790 tachyon has no problem running xmp 7600 team group memory 1.4v Auto settings are vddq dram and vdd2-1.45 for both dram is 1.4 no issues at all…. I would like to oc this ram to 8000 or more if possible but I am not sure what to try any more seems like 7600 is what I get. Maybe I just do not know what to do and maybe someone has good profile for this ram to send me. I tried keeping 1.45 vddq and vdd2 and raising 1.5V to ram to see if it would post 8000 but no luck. I tried lowering vddq and vdd2 to 1.4 and 1.43 no luck. I tried lowering voltage on the ram 1.45 and no luck. running 13900k 5.7 4.5 no issues… Again, ram kit is 7600 team group with 1.4 v stock… You can email me profile if you have good one and cpu setting do not matter I can change that. i am starting to think gskill memory would be better. What bios? try bios F2d first.. I use exactly the same memory as yours (TeamGroup 7600) and running 8000 36-46-46-128 daily. DRAM VDD/VDDQ 1.45V/1.4V, SA Voltage 1.2 Edited January 23, 2023 by Mahameru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtxsupercase Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mahameru said: What bios? try bios F2d first.. I use exactly the same memory as yours (TeamGroup 7600) and running 8000 36-46-46-128 dram VDD/VDDQ 1.45V/1.4V, SA Voltage 1.2 Yes f2d… so your dram voltage is 1.45 and right below 1.4? What is your vddcpu or tx. I can not see On the photo? I see vdd2 cpu is 1.47 so thank you for that. Care to send me profile ? Edited January 23, 2023 by Rtxsupercase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtxsupercase Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mahameru said: What bios? try bios F2d first.. I use exactly the same memory as yours (TeamGroup 7600) and running 8000 36-46-46-128 daily. DRAM VDD/VDDQ 1.45V/1.4V, SA Voltage 1.2 Now that are look closer your dram vdd/vddq is avarage 1.5/1.45? Why would you say that you are runnnig 1.45/1.4? stock ram is 1.4 and you are running 400 mhz more by not increasing voltage of the ram just timing voltage?maybe you are running vddq cpu at much higher than 1.45? Edited January 23, 2023 by Rtxsupercase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertex_FR Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 okay... news Tachyon. i can easy train and bench 7600c32 with mdie but still can't achieve 8000c34 adie. i dont know why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahameru Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rtxsupercase said: Now that are look closer your dram vdd/vddq is avarage 1.5/1.45? Why would you say that you are runnnig 1.45/1.4? stock ram is 1.4 and you are running 400 mhz more by not increasing voltage of the ram just timing voltage?maybe you are running vddq cpu at much higher than 1.45? You can see the "current" value i HWinfo is incorrect, it shows 3.825.. that's why the average value cranked up close to 1.5 and 1.45.. I use CPU VDDQ 1.35 and CPU VDD2 1.45 btw, even for high frequency mem clocking (>8200 MT/s).. well, I can show you screen (8000 36-46-46 running MemtestPro with proper HWINFO) later when I back home Edited January 24, 2023 by Mahameru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtxsupercase Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Mahameru said: You can see the "current" value i HWinfo is incorrect, it shows 3.825.. that's why the average value cranked up close to 1.5 and 1.45.. I use CPU VDDQ 1.35 and CPU VDD2 1.45 btw, even for high frequency mem clocking (>8200 MT/s).. well, I can show you screen (8000 36-46-46 running MemtestPro with proper HWINFO) later when I back home Thank you. I will wait for it Edited January 24, 2023 by Rtxsupercase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtxsupercase Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Vertex_FR said: okay... news Tachyon. i can easy train and bench 7600c32 with mdie but still can't achieve 8000c34 adie. i dont know why I get 8000 only if I raise vddq cpu and vdd2 cpu. Using tg7600kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtxsupercase Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 14 hours ago, Vertex_FR said: okay... news Tachyon. i can easy train and bench 7600c32 with mdie but still can't achieve 8000c34 adie. i dont know why I can post 8000 but it is unstable. There is user here that is helping me get stable. He has good setting.. vddq cpu 1.35, vdd2 1.45, dram 1.45 and 1.4 and this is for tg7600 kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertex_FR Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 rollback to ELite AX to finish review. Train ez 8000C34 + bench GB3 Train a little longer 8200C34 VCCSA 1.25V VCCINAUX 1.9V VDDQ CPU 1.3V VDD2 1.45V VDD/VDDQ RAM 1.55V/1.5V (8000C34) VDD/VDDQ RAM 1.6V/1.55V (8000C34) timings set to 34 45 45 32 Fast boot disable no RTL training (can't post with it activated) Bios F3K from 06/01/23 Now i need to fine tune it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdkj1740 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Vertex_FR said: rollback to ELite AX to finish review. Train ez 8000C34 + bench GB3 Train a little longer 8200C34 VCCSA 1.25V VCCINAUX 1.9V VDDQ CPU 1.3V VDD2 1.45V VDD/VDDQ RAM 1.55V/1.5V (8000C34) VDD/VDDQ RAM 1.6V/1.55V (8000C34) timings set to 34 45 45 32 Fast boot disable no RTL training (can't post with it activated) Bios F3K from 06/01/23 Now i need to fine tune it how to disable rtl training / how to do no rtl training? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertex_FR Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, asdkj1740 said: how to disable rtl training / how to do no rtl training? set to auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertex_FR Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) Okay, I'm done With Z790 Aorus Elite AX. Now it's time to go with Z690 Tachyon. From my study : VCCINAUX help a lot to train, must be set to 1.9V VCCSA 1.25V to 1.3V for 8000-8200C34 is good enough VDDQ CPU need to be set to a sweet spot to get system stable. on Elite AX it seem to be 1,3V for my CPU but this voltage may vary depend on CPU used. VDD2 1.4V for 7800C34, 1.45V for 8000C34 and 1.5V for 8000C34 tight / 8200C34 VDD and VDDQ mem must be set to sweet spot depending on the freq/memory profil. too much crash, too low crash. For training, round trip latency is enable by default, So leave it to auto. My voltage to bench GB3 8000C34 on Elite AX : VCCSA 1.3V VCCIN CPU AUX 1.9V VDDQ CPU 1.3V VDD2 1.5V (maybe less doable?) VDD MEM 1.575V VDDQ MEM 1.525V Fast boot disable RTL training enable RDEQ2 Gear mode 2 My voltage to bench GB3 8000C34 on Elite AX : VCCSA 1.3V VCCIN CPU AUX 1.9V VDDQ CPU 1.3V VDD2 1.5V (maybe less doable?) VDD MEM 1.625V VDDQ MEM 1.575V Fast boot disable RTL training enable RDEQ2 Gear mode 2 My voltage to bench GB3 7466C32 on Elite AX : VCCSA 1.25V VCCIN CPU AUX 1,8V VDDQ CPU 1.3V VDD2 1.4V VDD MEM 1.6V VDDQ MEM 1.55V Fast boot disable RTL training enable RDEQ2 Gear mode 2 Edited January 26, 2023 by Vertex_FR 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtxsupercase Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Vertex_FR said: Okay, I'm done With Z790 Aorus Elite AX. Now it's time to go with Z690 Tachyon. From my study : VCCINAUX help a lot to train, must be set to 1.9V VCCSA 1.25V to 1.3V for 8000-8200C34 is good enough VDDQ CPU need to be set to a sweet spot to get system stable. on Elite AX it seem to be 1,3V for my CPU but this voltage may vary depend on CPU used. VDD2 1.4V for 7800C34, 1.45V for 8000C34 and 1.5V for 8000C34 tight / 8200C34 VDD and VDDQ mem must be set to sweet spot depending on the freq/memory profil. too much crash, too low crash. For training, round trip latency is enable by default, So leave it to auto. My voltage to bench GB3 8000C34 on Elite AX : VCCSA 1.3V VCCIN CPU AUX 1.9V VDDQ CPU 1.3V VDD2 1.5V (maybe less doable?) VDD MEM 1.575V VDDQ MEM 1.525V Fast boot disable RTL training enable RDEQ2 Gear mode 2 My voltage to bench GB3 8000C34 on Elite AX : VCCSA 1.3V VCCIN CPU AUX 1.9V VDDQ CPU 1.3V VDD2 1.5V (maybe less doable?) VDD MEM 1.625V VDDQ MEM 1.575V Fast boot disable RTL training enable RDEQ2 Gear mode 2 My voltage to bench GB3 7466C32 on Elite AX : VCCSA 1.25V VCCIN CPU AUX 1,8V VDDQ CPU 1.3V VDD2 1.4V VDD MEM 1.6V VDDQ MEM 1.55V Fast boot disable RTL training enable RDEQ2 Gear mode 2 This is amazing work! What really struck me is vddq sweet spot voltage. How do you know what is sweet spot? What do you look for? System boots? On my xmp 7600tg and z790 tachyon works great and auto voltage for: vddq cpu-1.45 vdd2- hwinfo 1.44ish max 1.452 What I do not get is vddq cpu when oc to 8000. 1.45 vddq cpu will not even recognize memory code 54 blinking but it is perfect on xmp? If I punch in 1.3 it will boot but seems unstable. Sometimes it would pass bench and I would restart system and will not even boot. I am little frustrated with this non sense. Also maybe my voltage for memory is not where it needs to be. 7600 TG stock is 1.4 for vdd/vddq 8000 oc I set it at 1.45 vdd and 1.4 vddq. It boots but like I mentioned previous. do you think this is too low of voltage for 8000? Do you have any recommendations?Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertex_FR Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 13 minutes ago, Rtxsupercase said: This is amazing work! What really struck me is vddq sweet spot voltage. How do you know what is sweet spot? What do you look for? System boots? On my xmp 7600tg and z790 tachyon works great and auto voltage for: vddq cpu-1.45 vdd2- hwinfo 1.44ish max 1.452 What I do not get is vddq cpu when oc to 8000. 1.45 vddq cpu will not even recognize memory code 54 blinking but it is perfect on xmp? If I punch in 1.3 it will boot but seems unstable. Sometimes it would pass bench and I would restart system and will not even boot. I am little frustrated with this non sense. Also maybe my voltage for memory is not where it needs to be. 7600 TG stock is 1.4 for vdd/vddq 8000 oc I set it at 1.45 vdd and 1.4 vddq. It boots but like I mentioned previous. do you think this is too low of voltage for 8000? Do you have any recommendations?Thank you Hello, you need to find your own vddq cpu sweet spot. it can be 1.2V or 1.4 or 1.35 or 1.3 The value find must apss every benchmark you need. to find it some ppl use VST from Ycruncher to stress IMC at 7600C40 for 30min. the value used to pass it should be the value to be used daily/bench. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtxsupercase Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 48 minutes ago, Vertex_FR said: Hello, you need to find your own vddq cpu sweet spot. it can be 1.2V or 1.4 or 1.35 or 1.3 The value find must apss every benchmark you need. to find it some ppl use VST from Ycruncher to stress IMC at 7600C40 for 30min. the value used to pass it should be the value to be used daily/bench. 1.35 now and it seems stable for vddq cpu. So windows seems stable now and I can restart fine, open programs but stability will not pass. For example aida 64 memory stability. It will run couple minutes and turn red .. what is the next value I should be looking at? How do you know that? Even though aida will detect hardware failure I am ok in the windows. It is stable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titane Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Hello, what bios should I use for my 12100f ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergmann Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 try one of old X3 bios versions. I prefer X3c or X3k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titane Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Hello, is it possible to add the microcode 0x09 (for 12th non K) on the last f23a bios ? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergmann Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share Posted February 6, 2023 You can choose X6h bios and select necessary microcode direct in bios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt26LFC Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 @sergmannHow did you do this without it downclocking? I can't stop it dropping to 5.1Ghz https://hwbot.org/submission/5091149_sergmann_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_12900k_(8p)_15sec_307ms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergmann Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 It’s really easy, you can set AVX512 drop to 1, set your frequency 100mhz higher, open benchmark, reduce frequency 100mhz and let it run i have to test a tool which prevents drop for AVX512 CPU on z690, if it works I‘ll upload it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt26LFC Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, sergmann said: It’s really easy, you can set AVX512 drop to 1, set your frequency 100mhz higher, open benchmark, reduce frequency 100mhz and let it run i have to test a tool which prevents drop for AVX512 CPU on z690, if it works I‘ll upload it. Cheers will give that a try ? EDIT Gave it ago but didn't work, still dropped down MCU 0x15 the right one? Edited February 9, 2023 by Matt26LFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kif_Kroker1729 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 On 2/9/2023 at 11:49 AM, Matt26LFC said: Cheers will give that a try ? EDIT Gave it ago but didn't work, still dropped down MCU 0x15 the right one? I've had some success with setting the offset to -1 in bios then booting to windows and installing XTU and setting the offset to 0 in the XTU software then rebooting and it does a proper 0 offset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergmann Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 On 2/9/2023 at 12:49 PM, Matt26LFC said: Cheers will give that a try ? EDIT Gave it ago but didn't work, still dropped down MCU 0x15 the right one? yes, MCU 0X15 check first post, I`ve uploaded tool to prevent AVX512 drop. couldn`t test it at the moment but this one helps me on Z790 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt26LFC Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Spoiler Cheers guys! Will give them a try ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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