January 14Jan 14 17 hours ago, Splave said:Why even bother? It damages the rankings even more that you allow him to have a second name that is breaking records for MSI lighting launch. He can have a score with 2 ranks above other people dropping them an extra place. This sucks, I tried to ignore it but it makes no sense.While we are at it... Hardware-sharing. What is allowed or not. Seen it in the Lightning subs.Not only do some share the same GPU, but sharing the full pc platform in the benchmark. I guess when you share the same platform you also share same Cpu, GPU, memory and ssd. From what I think this isn't allowed from what i can understand from the rules. Or maybe I don't completly understand this rules due English ain't my first language? Please englightning me what's correct. Use of same (binned/golden) GPU or platform for posting results from several users (two or more) will push other users down the ranking list. And same happens in several different benchmarks posted on hwbot. This can't or shouldn't be allwed. Or as I said... I just read the rules wrong.3.2 E – HARDWARE SHARINGThis in a delicate subject as we have to trust on the honesty of those participating at the HWBOT that they are indeed using their own hardware and not sharing a golden sample CPU or VGA card. Let’s start with what is allowed to be shared: everything except: VGA may not be shared for VGA 3D benchmarks.CPU may not be shared for CPU 2D benchmarks. Special cases, like what to do with joint bench sessions and manufacturer hardware. Ensure there are enough pictures and/or video footage of the event. While the rules are quite simple and straightforward, enforcing them isn’t. If you are having a joint benchmark session, provide as much proof and information as possible when you submit a new HWBOT score. Showing you were using your own hardware for the benchmark in question, a photo with a paper showing your nickname and the product serial number is good way to do this. Video proof or plenty of pictures from the attended bench gathering is also a bonus to avoid being accused of hardware sharing.Since HWBOT does not tolerate the sale of benchmark scores, usage of double accounts, the act of both selling or buying benchmark scores and uploading them to this database is not allowed. In addition, we strongly believe that no overclocker who is involved in this kind of business should be allowed to be part of the community.Example of many posted results from Shaggy SVK and Slovak_Killer. The same whole platform get double up with points. The only difference between the posted results is the wallpaper and scores. https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5952410 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5952442 Edited January 14Jan 14 by Papusan
January 14Jan 14 39 minutes ago, Papusan said:While we are at it... Hardware-sharing. What is allowed or not. Seen it in the Lightning subs.Not only do some share the same GPU, but sharing the full pc platform in the benchmark. I guess when you share the same platform you also share same Cpu, GPU, memory and ssd. From what I think this isn't allowed from what i can understand from the rules. Or maybe I don't completly understand this rules due English ain't my first language? Please englightning me what's correct. Use of same (binned/golden) GPU or platform for posting results from several users (two or more) will push other users down the ranking list. And same happens in several different benchmarks posted on hwbot. This can't or shouldn't be allwed. Or as I said... I just read the rules wrong.3.2 E – HARDWARE SHARINGThis in a delicate subject as we have to trust on the honesty of those participating at the HWBOT that they are indeed using their own hardware and not sharing a golden sample CPU or VGA card. Let’s start with what is allowed to be shared: everything except: VGA may not be shared for VGA 3D benchmarks.CPU may not be shared for CPU 2D benchmarks. Special cases, like what to do with joint bench sessions and manufacturer hardware. Ensure there are enough pictures and/or video footage of the event. While the rules are quite simple and straightforward, enforcing them isn’t. If you are having a joint benchmark session, provide as much proof and information as possible when you submit a new HWBOT score. Showing you were using your own hardware for the benchmark in question, a photo with a paper showing your nickname and the product serial number is good way to do this. Video proof or plenty of pictures from the attended bench gathering is also a bonus to avoid being accused of hardware sharing.Since HWBOT does not tolerate the sale of benchmark scores, usage of double accounts, the act of both selling or buying benchmark scores and uploading them to this database is not allowed. In addition, we strongly believe that no overclocker who is involved in this kind of business should be allowed to be part of the community.Example of many posted results from Shaggy SVK and Slovak_Killer. The same whole platform get double up with points.https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5952410 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5952442 You should start a different post on this for discussion to keep the thread about the topic. (I agree BTW)
January 14Jan 14 40 minutes ago, Papusan said:While we are at it... Hardware-sharing. What is allowed or not. Seen it in the Lightning subs.Not only do some share the same GPU, but sharing the full pc platform in the benchmark. I guess when you share the same platform you also share same Cpu, GPU, memory and ssd. From what I think this isn't allowed from what i can understand from the rules. Or maybe I don't completly understand this rules due English ain't my first language? Please englightning me what's correct. Use of same (binned/golden) GPU or platform for posting results from several users (two or more) will push other users down the ranking list. And same happens in several different benchmarks posted on hwbot. This can't or shouldn't be allwed. Or as I said... I just read the rules wrong.3.2 E – HARDWARE SHARINGThis in a delicate subject as we have to trust on the honesty of those participating at the HWBOT that they are indeed using their own hardware and not sharing a golden sample CPU or VGA card. Let’s start with what is allowed to be shared: everything except: VGA may not be shared for VGA 3D benchmarks.CPU may not be shared for CPU 2D benchmarks. Special cases, like what to do with joint bench sessions and manufacturer hardware. Ensure there are enough pictures and/or video footage of the event. While the rules are quite simple and straightforward, enforcing them isn’t. If you are having a joint benchmark session, provide as much proof and information as possible when you submit a new HWBOT score. Showing you were using your own hardware for the benchmark in question, a photo with a paper showing your nickname and the product serial number is good way to do this. Video proof or plenty of pictures from the attended bench gathering is also a bonus to avoid being accused of hardware sharing.Since HWBOT does not tolerate the sale of benchmark scores, usage of double accounts, the act of both selling or buying benchmark scores and uploading them to this database is not allowed. In addition, we strongly believe that no overclocker who is involved in this kind of business should be allowed to be part of the community.Example of many posted results from Shaggy SVK and Slovak_Killer. The same whole platform get double up with points. The only difference between the posted results is the wallpaper and scores.https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5952410 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5952442 Noted but shouldn't be on this thread.
January 14Jan 14 Author 3 minutes ago, saltycroissant said:Noted but shouldn't be on this thread.Sorry. Didn't mean to clutter the thread. Can the moderator move it to a new/old thread for such ? Thanks
January 14Jan 14 19 minutes ago, Papusan said:While we are at it... Hardware-sharing. What is allowed or not. Seen it in the Lightning subs.Not only do some share the same GPU, but sharing the full pc platform in the benchmark. I guess when you share the same platform you also share same Cpu, GPU, memory and ssd. From what I think this isn't allowed from what i can understand from the rules. Or maybe I don't completly understand this rules due English ain't my first language? Please englightning me what's correct. Use of same (binned/golden) GPU or platform for posting results from several users (two or more) will push other users down the ranking list. And same happens in several different benchmarks posted on hwbot. This can't or shouldn't be allwed. Or as I said... I just read the rules wrong.3.2 E – HARDWARE SHARINGThis in a delicate subject as we have to trust on the honesty of those participating at the HWBOT that they are indeed using their own hardware and not sharing a golden sample CPU or VGA card. Let’s start with what is allowed to be shared: everything except: VGA may not be shared for VGA 3D benchmarks.CPU may not be shared for CPU 2D benchmarks. Special cases, like what to do with joint bench sessions and manufacturer hardware. Ensure there are enough pictures and/or video footage of the event. While the rules are quite simple and straightforward, enforcing them isn’t. If you are having a joint benchmark session, provide as much proof and information as possible when you submit a new HWBOT score. Showing you were using your own hardware for the benchmark in question, a photo with a paper showing your nickname and the product serial number is good way to do this. Video proof or plenty of pictures from the attended bench gathering is also a bonus to avoid being accused of hardware sharing.Since HWBOT does not tolerate the sale of benchmark scores, usage of double accounts, the act of both selling or buying benchmark scores and uploading them to this database is not allowed. In addition, we strongly believe that no overclocker who is involved in this kind of business should be allowed to be part of the community.Example of many posted results from Shaggy SVK and Slovak_Killer. The same whole platform get double up with points.https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5952410 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5952442 Dunno how this is related to Cmaker or whats happening around this stuff but as u can see on my subs I show pic of back of the card with SN ending 22, Shaggy never used my card for any submit and its noticeably weaker sample than Shaggys on cold. I think u can notice this on my scores as theyre lot weaker than his. His card can score PR 48k even on the worst day with chiller, mine cant on best day :) We have 3 cards, why would I bother to HW share one just so I can sub results that are so worse compared to shaggys card and probably any Lightning can match/beat. but whatever meaningless to explain to dumbo, If youre happy I will rebench it on chiller again with your name attached on card too, what do u say.vids from sessions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MZBctomQgA | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uep9NFqjHQ
January 15Jan 15 On 1/14/2026 at 4:19 AM, Papusan said:While we are at it... Hardware-sharing. What is allowed or not. Seen it in the Lightning subs.Not only do some share the same GPU, but sharing the full pc platform in the benchmark. I guess when you share the same platform you also share same Cpu, GPU, memory and ssd. From what I think this isn't allowed from what i can understand from the rules. Or maybe I don't completly understand this rules due English ain't my first language? Please englightning me what's correct. Use of same (binned/golden) GPU or platform for posting results from several users (two or more) will push other users down the ranking list. And same happens in several different benchmarks posted on hwbot. This can't or shouldn't be allwed. Or as I said... I just read the rules wrong.3.2 E – HARDWARE SHARINGThis in a delicate subject as we have to trust on the honesty of those participating at the HWBOT that they are indeed using their own hardware and not sharing a golden sample CPU or VGA card. Let’s start with what is allowed to be shared: everything except: VGA may not be shared for VGA 3D benchmarks.CPU may not be shared for CPU 2D benchmarks. Special cases, like what to do with joint bench sessions and manufacturer hardware. Ensure there are enough pictures and/or video footage of the event. While the rules are quite simple and straightforward, enforcing them isn’t. If you are having a joint benchmark session, provide as much proof and information as possible when you submit a new HWBOT score. Showing you were using your own hardware for the benchmark in question, a photo with a paper showing your nickname and the product serial number is good way to do this. Video proof or plenty of pictures from the attended bench gathering is also a bonus to avoid being accused of hardware sharing.Since HWBOT does not tolerate the sale of benchmark scores, usage of double accounts, the act of both selling or buying benchmark scores and uploading them to this database is not allowed. In addition, we strongly believe that no overclocker who is involved in this kind of business should be allowed to be part of the community.Example of many posted results from Shaggy SVK and Slovak_Killer. The same whole platform get double up with points. The only difference between the posted results is the wallpaper and scores.https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5952410 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5952442 Different GPU sample, this is what matters for 3D. On the other hand, what is actually a major grey area - how come this: https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/y-cruncher_-_pi-1b/submissions/5785161 (and many more) be classified as Custom Water?
January 16Jan 16 Author On 1/15/2026 at 8:27 PM, zbv said:Different GPU sample, this is what matters for 3D. On the other hand, what is actually a major grey area - how come this: https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/y-cruncher_-_pi-1b/submissions/5785161 (and many more) be classified as Custom Water?Here's the latest pict of my pc setup. The only difference is that I have added in my 5090. Why would I bench my 5090 with custom watercooling and AIO if I had sub zero cooling hardware as chiller or the like?Edit. I even stole some of the fans from the custom water loop for the CPU to get better cooling for the GPU. Edited January 16Jan 16 by Papusan
January 16Jan 16 29 minutes ago, Papusan said:Here's the latest pict of my pc setup. The only difference is that I have added in my 5090. Why would I bench my 5090 with custom watercooling and AIO if I had sub zero cooling hardware as chiller or the like?Edit. I even stole some of the fans from the custom water loop for the CPU to get better cooling for the GPU.It doesn’t really matter if you’re making use of the temperatures outside or something else. 3C min CPU temp says it all. Even without a chiller it should be classified as cold water IMO, because…surprisingly that’s what it is.
January 16Jan 16 This is just the old ambient debate, it was ruled that benching outside or setting up a reservoir or radiator outside during winter isn't considered chilled.
January 17Jan 17 10 hours ago, saltycroissant said:This is just the old ambient debate, it was ruled that benching outside or setting up a reservoir or radiator outside during winter isn't considered chilled.Imho it should be, because it is actually chilled.There should be a some sort of limit. Idk maybe 15C of minimum ambient temp or so. There are many scores in enthusiasts league with "chilled" temps on GPU/CPU.For example, if i manage to build 100l reservoir outside house, and there will be -20C, it still will be considered as ambient ?Personally i do not care, because im in other league. Just asking. Edited January 17Jan 17 by tomekmak
January 17Jan 17 8 hours ago, tomekmak said:Imho it should be, because it is actually chilled.There should be a some sort of limit. Idk maybe 15C of minimum ambient temp or so. There are many scores in enthusiasts league with "chilled" temps on GPU/CPU.For example, if i manage to build 100l reservoir outside house, and there will be -20C, it still will be considered as ambient ?Personally i do not care, because im in other league. Just asking.Yes that would still be considered ambient. We have that debate every year when winter arrives.
January 17Jan 17 Just now, saltycroissant said:Yes that would still be considered ambient. We have that debate every year when winter arrives.This is just not fair for folks from Enthusiasts.
January 17Jan 17 For this case spcific case of hardware sharing, extensive video proof was provided to clear things up everything is ok. Thx to @ShaggySVK and @Slovak_Killer for their cooperation and quick reply.
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