TaPaKaH Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I came up with a random thought that it'd be better to rank Reference Clock submissions not my mainboard model like now, but by chipset. My arguments: 1) There are no individual rankings for different graphic card models (GTX580 Matrix, GTX580 Lightning ...) nor memory models (Geil DDR3-2133, Geil DDR3-2000 ...), why are mainboards different? 2) By merging multiple P55 or P67 categories into one, pushing reference clock will be more rewarding in terms of hardware points if you're really pushing it. What do others think? (please vote and/or post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Good point But I vote to keep by motherboard model like now otherwise I will lose so many gold cups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Doesn't hurt to have another mobo ranking, even if it's not independant on already existing ones if you ask me These mobo rankings will never get insanely popular anyway I think.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dualist Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Voted for chipset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Voted for chipset you are on my ''I will block all your score'' list now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dualist Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 you are on my ''I will block all your score'' list now Ahhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.paco Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Just asking since I don't know; Would it be too hard or complicated to have both categories? One ranking for Chip Set and one ranking for Mother Board Model. If its not doable, I vote to keep it as is Mother Board Model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 What about both? @Mr.Paco... WOW... same idea, same time, different continent. AWESOME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.paco Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 What about both? @Mr.Paco... WOW... same idea, same time, different continent. AWESOME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 I had this idea talking with Sam on msn way before he opened the thread, not that anyone care The idea of dual ranking is complicated for the engine imo. But, I think this can work: -By motherboards as Hardware Ranking -By chipset as Global Ranking (Means global points ?) (-Possibility to add a third ranking like WR ranking for overall frequency ?) This is the way I see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_A_V Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Keep hardware ranking by motherboard model (like now) + add global ranking by cpu socket (not by chipset). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Keep hardware ranking by motherboard model (like now) + add global ranking by cpu socket (not by chipset). It's mostly the chipset that determines the overclock I think, so it makes more sense to sort by chipset instead of socket (kinda silly to have G43 and P45 in the same ranking for example). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaPaKaH Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 It's mostly the chipset that determines the overclock I thinkthat's the main point I'm trying to make, compare it with graphic cards.Every manufacturer works their solution around the same chip and competes with others ... but why in case with graphic cards the ranks are "by the base chip" and with motherboards they're "by each individual solution" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 that's the main point I'm trying to make, compare it with graphic cards.Every manufacturer works their solution around the same chip and competes with others ... but why in case with graphic cards the ranks are "by the base chip" and with motherboards they're "by each individual solution" ? One reason could be that motherboard models are easy to spot in CPUZ, but with GPUs you can't tell if a card is a lightning or reference (i think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaPaKaH Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 BIOS version for non-reference cards ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lccc37 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 the points from Reference Clock's summittion don't really update.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tux_topo Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 The idea is interesting... but, a few manufacturers actually make very bad boards, and good chipsets, performs like crap... so ranking by chipset, will gone a kill points from users that have those boards... So i prefer to stay as now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumnbaser Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 The points from reference clock are not getting included in total points ,in worldwide or in national points for some reason, this needs to fixed. I even deleted all of such results as they bring mys scores down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) It's mostly the chipset that determines the overclock I think, so it makes more sense to sort by chipset instead of socket (kinda silly to have G43 and P45 in the same ranking for example). I've discovered that's true to an extent but the CPU itself affects this too. We know some chipsets do span more than one socket type and of course a newer socket CPU has a good chance of beating one from an older socket. This is where I believe lumping all results from a given chipset will result in the newest CPU's on boards that can run a given chipset will tend to outdo those systems with older model CPUs running the same chipset. The NF3-250 would be a good example of this - Most of these are indeed Socket 754 based but there are a few 939 based systems that use this chipset too and with the 939's better OC'ing capabilities, it would stand a very good chance of dominating this ranking. This would create a situation of the 939's owning this chipset class outright. The very fact a 939's IMC is inherently better than a 754's will allow it a good chance to do better overall since RAM speeds come into play when doing this kind of benching. As we know there are only so many dividers available to use but when you are running the lowest divider for max FSB speeds, RAM stability comes into play and a 939's better IMC would then become a factor. With a really good set of sticks and a good 939 CPU such as a San Diego chip, it's almost a given the 939 would win everytime vs a 754 with the same RAM. One more thing is that a newer model board based on a given chipset will probrably have more and better options for tweaking in the first place. More options normally means more ways of fine tuning your system and with the fact a newer socket CPU has a good chance of beating an older socket CPU anyway, to me it's clear for the sake of fair competiton there is no need to change it from how it is now. This is why I believe the way it is now is the way it should remain. Allowing a crossover of CPU models with the same chipsets will create a "Ringer" situation for who's going to do well or who's not. Edited September 25, 2011 by Bones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) Double post due to browser problem while trying to edit the above - Sorry about that! Edited September 25, 2011 by Bones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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