Chiller Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 how the ranking goes now is a obbomenation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartmasta Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 everyone thinks the point system is lame you guys should at least try to do something or popularity will drop in HWbot  like someone said theres no more motivation. before I would do bench runs at -5'C ambient and do tweaking and stuff to get some more points and have fun. now I will just have 0,1 points because I don't have SS or LN2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLAGANOS Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 these 2 points are from rev3 where everyone here is talking about ! Â the 7900GX2 is no lil card that is a spezial card, because of the layout ! Â it makes no sence to talk about the pro's and contra's from rev3. u guys allways find a pro anwser for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) It is no problem that popular hardware gets more points. But non-popular hardware does not need to get less points. I would not mind if they get same points as in Rev2. Â Edit: You do not seem to understand that there is no more motivation for the little bencher to go to his own limits if he is only about to get 0.1 points. Why should I improve the scores of my little Radeon cards to jump from #20 to #11. I will still get 0.1 points. Edited December 31, 2009 by Advanced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 everyone thinks the point system is lame you guys should at least try to do something or popularity will drop in HWbot like someone said theres no more motivation. before I would do bench runs at -5'C ambient and do tweaking and stuff to get some more points and have fun. now I will just have 0,1 points because I don't have SS or LN2.  How much results have you submit after Rev3 was launched? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgioprimo Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 i felt down from posisiton n° 10 to position n° 42 ......did not check well, but is it possible dependent just from the new engine ? or meaybe there is some bug ? ( 32 position seems so much to me ....... ) check it out please.... maybe it has something to do with the change of the nick name ( i changed it a couple of time ........) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartmasta Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 How much results have you submit after Rev3 was launched?  0  why is this relevant  41 people replied in this thread. incl MM, RB, and others who reported bugs.20.000 people using HWbot. =0.2%  everyone.  that's just being ignorant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Yo cannot assume that the rest is satisfied just because they are not replying to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 It is no problem that popular hardware gets more points.But non-popular hardware does not need to get less points. I would not mind if they get same points as in Rev2. Â It's quite difficult to explain in english, but the one affects the other: the more points you give to popular hardware, the less points you're awarding to non-popular hardware. Once you've defined "popular", you've also defined "not popular". Â I think the biggest problem here is the drop in points. This is a psychological effect we could've worked around by multiplying all points by 10. Everyone would have a massive boost in points ... but the rankings would not change, not your personal, nor your team ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alriin Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 41 people replied in this thread. incl MM, RB, and others who reported bugs.20.000 people using HWbot. =0.2% Â everyone. Â 41 People are online, and 41 People hate Rev3. I think thats 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted December 31, 2009 Crew Share Posted December 31, 2009 Is there a way to get another font or sortlike to distinguish the differents benchmarks when looking eg in the hall of fame ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 0 why is this relevant  that's just being ignorant  No. You're making assumptions about future submissions not knowing the Factual effect.  And if you are going to start calling names, please log off and go celebrate new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Yo cannot assume that the rest is satisfied just because they are not replying to this thread. Â Yes. People who don't like it are more likely to respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I think the biggest problem here is the drop in points. Yep. I almost lost 2/3 of my points and I simply do not understand why this had to be done. I had many scores in the middlefield like #15 and now I do not get points for my effort anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) It is no problem that popular hardware gets more points.But non-popular hardware does not need to get less points. I would not mind if they get same points as in Rev2. Â 14 boints for running alot of stuff at stock was too much. And I know what I'm talking about, as I did get alot of cups by benching VERY unpopular stuff. IMO 1.5 for being first when there is no competition is far from being too little... Plus, there was nearly no difference between 1st and 3rd when you had few results in rev. 2. In all competitions where you're given points for your results, you always get much more for being 1st than for the others, even if you compete with 100 others. I can't imagine anyone been given 75% of the winner's boints when they ended up being 3rd out of 4 participants, or something like that. Â Edit: everyone had a chance to see the test server, and to make suggestions for this revision. Those who hate this revision and never posted their thoughts when the test server was online etc should remember that until rev. 4, and not make the same mistake again Edited December 31, 2009 by knopflerbruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiller Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 most people don't complaine, or they are on other side of world and still a sleep. Â this is only the first few hours, there will be more to come that are going to complain. Â i lost the trust in Hwbot now and my opinion is that Hwbot is NOT anymore the standaard of the world for ranking. Â a WR with a cpu that only 5 people have gets less points then a 920 where 20.000 people have. Â this can't be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoF Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Only thing he has to do is test 1 5870 in 6 benchmarks and he'll be incredibly close to KP again. Â see....you write it but you just think different than me Looks like you missed MY main focus of overclocking - highest possible scores. You say it: Boris needs to bench weaker hardware now...All you made with rev3 is to make the overclocking league a single-gpu bound league...didn't had a closer look into CPUs yet, don't want to... And you do not credit thoose guys with the overall best scores anymore...no CF, no SLI will ever be able to bring you on top anymore...I hoped it will be balanced, that single and multi solutions will have a fixed basis for their records (e.g. 100 Points) so that thoose with less money take single gpu and others fight in multi gpu - but all globals are balanced in points. it's just such a tiny change to the current situation but it would make such a BIG difference. I got all the "we want more people to be competitive" and I agree with you in many points...just like I said, my main focus was always a bit different, a bit more expensive, a bit more exclusive, just as many points as possible. Â Apart from that thanks for a great time with hwbot v2 - over the years it was always motivating and fascinating. Gave me many hours of fun and pleasure. Keep working on hwbot it can just get better :ws: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Yep. I almost lost 2/3 of my points and I simply do not understand why this had to be done.I had many scores in the middlefield like #15 and now I do not get points for my effort anymore. Â How much places did you fall in the ranking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 As long as people haven't been benching "rev 3 style" yet, I don't think it's a good thing to start complaining to soon. It's a different approach, and naturally the ranks may be a bit weird in the beginning, until people start benching in January;) Â Edit: 1000 posts before 2010:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alriin Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I think a lot of Modifications are good, but its demotivate when Rank 5 become the same Points as Rank 12. This is the great mistake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I think a lot of Modifications are good, but its demotivate when Rank 5 become the same Points as Rank 12. This is the great mistake! Â If you look at the same rank, that's not true. The best 50% get HW boints, so 7th and 12th should get the same 0.1 boints, but 5th will give a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 How much places did you fall in the ranking? 700 ranks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 see....you write it but you just think different than me Looks like you missed MY main focus of overclocking - highest possible scores. You say it: Boris needs to bench weaker hardware now...All you made with rev3 is to make the overclocking league a single-gpu bound league...didn't had a closer look into CPUs yet, don't want to... Â Yes, and in contrary to you, we have had tons of people complain that the 3D rankings are not 3D anymore and that we need more GPU-bound benchmarks ... Â I can understand that if you have a great CPU, you want all the benchmarks to be CPU-bound. Or, if you have a great GPU, you want all benchmarks to be GPU-bound. Trying to make something that goes in the middle will upset either types of persons for sure. Â And you do not credit thoose guys with the overall best scores anymore...no CF, no SLI will ever be able to bring you on top anymore...I hoped it will be balanced, that single and multi solutions will have a fixed basis for their records (e.g. 100 Points) so that thoose with less money take single gpu and others fight in multi gpu - but all globals are balanced in points. it's just such a tiny change to the current situation but it would make such a BIG difference. . Â You're right, it's not about the highest score per definition anymore, because we have learned that when it's only about the highest score, more people complain about the fact that huge financial input equals high and easy points. And that is a very valid complaint: why should money be the main factor in being able to compete? Â Furhtermore, recent events have shown that when it's just about the highest scores software coding becomes more important than the performance of hardware. I mean, if you want to see 1,000,000 in AM3, it's possible with the right tools ... the score is higher, but I'm not particularly more happy to see this higher score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speddy411 Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 As long as people haven't been benching "rev 3 style" yet, I don't think it's a good thing to start complaining to soon. It's a different approach, and naturally the ranks may be a bit weird in the beginning, until people start benching in January;)Â Edit: 1000 posts before 2010:D Â Why should I ? Â Some weeks ago I bought many Socket 462 CPU and 2 Abit NF7-S. Â But why the Hell should I bench it ? Â Most of the CPUs i bought just award me with 2 Points when im Number 1 and if I take Place 2 I just get 0.1 Points....There is no Motivation for me to Vmod the Board and look for the best config if the Change to get Points is 50/50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 700 ranks... Â You're now 1800th of 21000th without having to go very far with any hardware. Sounds reasonable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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