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RB, Massman and JMKE - go to bed, guys!

We don't need the crew dead, it's not what this thread and the new rev. is about. I hope you'll be sleeping for more than 12 hours a be fresh then.

And close this thread for that time or it'll grow over hundred pages )))

 

Happy New Year!

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Happy New Year To All

 

Like the setup and seeing some good opportunities with some of my older hardware at present, frustrated by taking a big hit on my HW points and my shinny new 3550 is going to need a pot if I want more than .7 HW points, but hell it could of been worse. Happy cause I can spend vid card money on other needed hardware.

 

Small Prob, my PCMark 05 scores are pointed at each other, so one is not coming up in my user points.

http://hwbot.org/listResults.do?userId=19466&applicationId=9

 

I've points from opening a hardware category, why do you give points for this seems like you need two to compete.

 

And finally is there gong to be a achievement award for the first gal/guy making it to 300 HW points .1 point at time, if this has been addressed, sorry.

 

Ale

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I've a Question!!!or doubt...

 

In Global Wprime1024 my best result is:

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=845475

wPrime 1024m 8x CPU rank: 80th out of 123, good for 0.9 points.

wPrime 1024m 2x Xeon E7320 rank: 1st out of 1, good for 1.5 points.

 

But in the other hand also i have this other:

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=895933

wPrime 1024m 1x CPU rank: not Warrior_oF_Byte's best wPrime 1024m submission, only best is ranked.

wPrime 1024m Sempron 140 rank: 11th out of 15, good for 0.1 points.

 

But this result is behind this :

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=810324 (Jn_Freeman's)

wPrime 1024m 1x CPU rank: 39th out of thousands, good for 6.6 points.

wPrime 1024m Celeron LGA775 430 rank: 14th out of 33, good for 0.5 points.

 

So, what's it's better? being 80th of 8x or being 40th of 1x?

Would you change the best wprime subimission for the best position in a rank?

For me it's better being in a higher rank than having a higher result. It's more rewarding in that way. :D

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Hey packet, you have my old ranking. I used to be in the 530's up until yesterday. Now I'm 1,129! Yea for rev. 3!

 

im new to the game bro lol and defiantly not in a position to complain, rather id prefer to get on with it...just use your skills and try a new approach

 

i know how hard it is to get a score and time spent to get that score

 

when i see a thread like this one i just wanted to add some positives, definitely didn't mean to offend anyone

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HW points distribution after fix:

 

*********** Testing 1
hw rank 1/1: 1.5
*********** Testing 2
hw rank 1/2: 1.5
hw rank 2/2: 0.1
*********** Testing 3
hw rank 1/3: 1.5
hw rank 2/3: 0.1
hw rank 3/3: 0.1
*********** Testing 4
hw rank 1/4: 1.5
hw rank 2/4: 1.2
hw rank 3/4: 0.1
hw rank 4/4: 0.1
*********** Testing 5
hw rank 1/5: 1.5
hw rank 2/5: 1.2
hw rank 3/5: 0.1
hw rank 4/5: 0.1
hw rank 5/5: 0.1
*********** Testing 6
hw rank 1/6: 1.5
hw rank 2/6: 1.2
hw rank 3/6: 0.9
hw rank 4/6: 0.1
hw rank 5/6: 0.1
hw rank 6/6: 0.1
*********** Testing 7
hw rank 1/7: 1.5
hw rank 2/7: 1.2
hw rank 3/7: 0.9
hw rank 4/7: 0.1
hw rank 5/7: 0.1
hw rank 6/7: 0.1
hw rank 7/7: 0.1
*********** Testing 8
hw rank 1/8: 1.5
hw rank 2/8: 1.2
hw rank 3/8: 0.9
hw rank 4/8: 0.6
hw rank 5/8: 0.1
hw rank 6/8: 0.1
hw rank 7/8: 0.1
hw rank 8/8: 0.1
*********** Testing 9
hw rank 1/9: 1.556
hw rank 2/9: 1.2
hw rank 3/9: 0.9
hw rank 4/9: 0.6
hw rank 5/9: 0.1
hw rank 6/9: 0.1
hw rank 7/9: 0.1
hw rank 8/9: 0.1
hw rank 9/9: 0.1
*********** Testing 10
hw rank 1/10: 1.6
hw rank 2/10: 1.2
hw rank 3/10: 0.9
hw rank 4/10: 0.6
hw rank 5/10: 0.3
hw rank 6/10: 0.1
hw rank 7/10: 0.1
hw rank 8/10: 0.1
hw rank 9/10: 0.1
hw rank 10/10: 0.1
*********** Testing 11
hw rank 1/11: 1.8
hw rank 2/11: 1.2
hw rank 3/11: 0.9
hw rank 4/11: 0.6
hw rank 5/11: 0.3
hw rank 6/11: 0.1
hw rank 7/11: 0.1
hw rank 8/11: 0.1
hw rank 9/11: 0.1
hw rank 10/11: 0.1
hw rank 11/11: 0.1
*********** Testing 20
hw rank 1/20: 3.6
hw rank 2/20: 2.56
hw rank 3/20: 1.89
hw rank 4/20: 1.44
hw rank 5/20: 1.1
hw rank 6/20: 0.8
hw rank 7/20: 0.6
hw rank 8/20: 0.4
hw rank 9/20: 0.2
hw rank 10/20: 0.1
hw rank 11/20: 0.1
hw rank 12/20: 0.1
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hw rank 16/20: 0.1
hw rank 17/20: 0.1
hw rank 18/20: 0.1
hw rank 19/20: 0.1
hw rank 20/20: 0.1
*********** Testing 30
hw rank 1/30: 5.6
hw rank 2/30: 4.16
hw rank 3/30: 3.24
hw rank 4/30: 2.64
hw rank 5/30: 2.2
hw rank 6/30: 1.8
hw rank 7/30: 1.6
hw rank 8/30: 1.4
hw rank 9/30: 1.2
hw rank 10/30: 1
hw rank 11/30: 0.8
hw rank 12/30: 0.6
hw rank 13/30: 0.4
hw rank 14/30: 0.2
hw rank 15/30: 0.1
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hw rank 27/30: 0.1
hw rank 28/30: 0.1
hw rank 29/30: 0.1
hw rank 30/30: 0.1
*********** Testing 50
hw rank 1/50: 9.6
hw rank 2/50: 7.36
hw rank 3/50: 5.94
hw rank 4/50: 5.04
hw rank 5/50: 4.4
hw rank 6/50: 3.8
hw rank 7/50: 3.6
hw rank 8/50: 3.4
hw rank 9/50: 3.2
hw rank 10/50: 3
hw rank 11/50: 2.8
hw rank 12/50: 2.6
hw rank 13/50: 2.4
hw rank 14/50: 2.2
hw rank 15/50: 2
hw rank 16/50: 1.8
hw rank 17/50: 1.6
hw rank 18/50: 1.4
hw rank 19/50: 1.2
hw rank 20/50: 1
hw rank 21/50: 0.8
hw rank 22/50: 0.6
hw rank 23/50: 0.4
hw rank 24/50: 0.2
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*********** Testing 100
hw rank 1/100: 19.6
hw rank 2/100: 15.36
hw rank 3/100: 12.69
hw rank 4/100: 11.04
hw rank 5/100: 9.9
hw rank 6/100: 8.8
hw rank 7/100: 8.6
hw rank 8/100: 8.4
hw rank 9/100: 8.2
hw rank 10/100: 8
hw rank 11/100: 7.8
hw rank 12/100: 7.6
hw rank 13/100: 7.4
hw rank 14/100: 7.2
hw rank 15/100: 7
hw rank 16/100: 6.8
hw rank 17/100: 6.6
hw rank 18/100: 6.4
hw rank 19/100: 6.2
hw rank 20/100: 6
hw rank 21/100: 5.8
hw rank 22/100: 5.6
hw rank 23/100: 5.4
hw rank 24/100: 5.2
hw rank 25/100: 5
hw rank 26/100: 4.8
hw rank 27/100: 4.6
hw rank 28/100: 4.4
hw rank 29/100: 4.2
hw rank 30/100: 4
hw rank 31/100: 3.8
hw rank 32/100: 3.6
hw rank 33/100: 3.4
hw rank 34/100: 3.2
hw rank 35/100: 3
hw rank 36/100: 2.8
hw rank 37/100: 2.6
hw rank 38/100: 2.4
hw rank 39/100: 2.2
hw rank 40/100: 2
hw rank 41/100: 1.8
hw rank 42/100: 1.6
hw rank 43/100: 1.4
hw rank 44/100: 1.2
hw rank 45/100: 1
hw rank 46/100: 0.8
hw rank 47/100: 0.6
hw rank 48/100: 0.4
hw rank 49/100: 0.2
hw rank 50/100: 0.1
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*********** Testing 400
hw rank 1/400: 49.75
hw rank 2/400: 39.6
hw rank 3/400: 33.244
hw rank 4/400: 29.4
hw rank 5/400: 26.812
hw rank 6/400: 24.25
hw rank 7/400: 24.125
hw rank 8/400: 24
hw rank 9/400: 23.875
hw rank 10/400: 23.75
hw rank 11/400: 23.625
hw rank 12/400: 23.5
hw rank 13/400: 23.375
hw rank 14/400: 23.25
hw rank 15/400: 23.125
hw rank 16/400: 23
hw rank 17/400: 22.875
hw rank 18/400: 22.75
hw rank 19/400: 22.625
hw rank 20/400: 22.5
hw rank 21/400: 22.375
hw rank 22/400: 22.25
hw rank 23/400: 22.125
hw rank 24/400: 22
hw rank 25/400: 21.875
hw rank 26/400: 21.75
hw rank 27/400: 21.625
hw rank 28/400: 21.5
hw rank 29/400: 21.375
hw rank 30/400: 21.25
hw rank 31/400: 21.125
hw rank 32/400: 21
hw rank 33/400: 20.875
hw rank 34/400: 20.75
hw rank 35/400: 20.625
hw rank 36/400: 20.5
hw rank 37/400: 20.375
hw rank 38/400: 20.25
hw rank 39/400: 20.125
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hw rank 41/400: 19.875
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hw rank 46/400: 19.25
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hw rank 49/400: 18.875
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hw rank 55/400: 18.125
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hw rank 57/400: 17.875
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hw rank 59/400: 17.625
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hw rank 62/400: 17.25
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hw rank 73/400: 15.875
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hw rank 81/400: 14.875
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hw rank 89/400: 13.875
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hw rank 396/400: 0.1
hw rank 397/400: 0.1
hw rank 398/400: 0.1
hw rank 399/400: 0.1
hw rank 400/400: 0.1

 

This "0,1 Points for the People"-Rule is killing HWbot. So many People would like to close with benching.

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I submitted a few scores for an 8800 gts 320 mb card & while they show up in the hall of fame in the right spots for the hardware, they are coming up saying 'not FtW 420's best 3DMark Vantage - Performance GeForce 8800 GTS 320 Mb submission, only best is ranked.' even though they are my best scores submitted for that hardware. They also show no points, & my profile has not updated with the new scores since they went in this morning.

 

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=936355

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=936358

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=936365

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Kovsk, SoF and a few others do make valid points. I just sat and read through 30 pages eek my eyes hurt. HWBOT has and will lose it's shine with this move............I am not really passionate about whichever way these decisions sway to argue vigorously but you do have to admit they are making some valid points...............not posting this to get a response...especially not from jmke... :P

 

I'll still use it sure.... just thought i'd put my 2 cents in there i guess

 

[edit] i really dont understand why you guys dont have a word with jmke.....seriously his posts are a joke

 

I'm with dinos on this too.... :)

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I have too much respect for Hipro to come up with a sarcastic answer or alternatively a aggressive answer. So, just a normal 'no'.

 

That's fair enough for me and that's what I wanted to hear from you.....a simple "no" and nothing more..... ;):)

 

 

EDIT: I've found a "bug"..... :D

 

Ex. When someone plays with SINGLE card and he get's the No1 place and 150points (ex.), and then he plays with DUAL cards (etc), he will get 0points for his other benchies with more cards on the same bench BUT he "cuts off" someone else's points for the DUAL card category....

So the second bencher will NOT get the MAXIMUM for the DUAL card category BUT the SECOND measurement....NOT FAIR if you ask me..... ;)

 

Why?......I'll tell you why....

 

Vince benches and he gets No1 score of SINGLE card category

Andre benches and he gets No2 score of SINGLE card category

I bench and I get No3 score of SINGLE card category

and so on....

 

NOW....

 

WE ALL BENCH for the DUAL card category and we don't get any score of it BUT we "cut" the FIRST score of the bencher who will play ONLY for DUAL card category..... ;)

SO if there are 10 people who played with SINLGE and DUAL cards and they have uploaded BOTH of their scores, HOW MANY points will the bencher who wants to play ONLY for the DUAL card category will get?.....0.1 points :D

 

So according to this, where is the fairness for the "poor benchers"....They will have NO CHANCE AT ALL..... :(

 

Ex No2:

 

Aquamark rankings....

 

We have some places there as for single/dual/tri/etc vgas....

 

We have the 5th first palces in SINGLE VGA category and ALSO 5th places in DUAL card categories (which we get NO points out of it)......

 

tsan is the FIRST user in DUAL card category who gets points......ALL of us don't get any point for this because we got from the SINGLE vga category.....

 

How many points tsan has get?........16points because WE have "cut him out"...... :(

 

SO if "we" have taken ALL places for ALL categories up to 10th or up to 20th, how many points will a "poor bencher" gets?..... :(

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EDIT: I've found a "bug"..... :D

 

Ex. When someone plays with SINGLE card and he get's the No1 place and 150points (ex.), and then he plays with DUAL cards (etc), he will get 0points for his other benchies with more cards on the same bench BUT he "cuts off" someone else's points for the DUAL card category....

So the second bencher will NOT get the MAXIMUM for the DUAL card category BUT the SECOND measurement....NOT FAIR if you ask me..... ;)

 

Why?......I'll tell you why....

 

Vince benches and he gets No1 score of SINGLE card category

Andre benches and he gets No2 score of SINGLE card category

I bench and I get No3 score of SINGLE card category

and so on....

 

NOW....

 

WE ALL BENCH for the DUAL card category and we don't get any score of it BUT we "cut" the FIRST score of the bencher who will play ONLY for DUAL card category..... ;)

SO if there are 10 people who played with SINLGE and DUAL cards and they have uploaded BOTH of their scores, HOW MANY points will the bencher who wants to play ONLY for the DUAL card category will get?.....0.1 points :D

 

Signed!

Thats why it would be better to have a category for each setup: 1xGPU, 2xGPU,3xGPU, 4xGPU and one overall ranking. Points should be given in all categories. HW and global. Use the system, points are given to a rank like it was in rev2. Benchers could choose in wich category they want to take part. Sure, ppl with more money could take part in all categories, but thats life! Example: You cant go and ask all F1 teams to drive slower just because you dont have a chance to beat them with your streetcar!!!!!!

 

Achivements: If you want to keep this useless feature (i found the submit button....rofl), pls use smaller pictures! If someone gets 10 achivements for example, the pictures take to much space on the profiles page.

 

Hollywood

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You cant go and ask all F1 teams to drive slower just because you dont have a chance to beat them with your streetcar!!!!!!

 

We don't ask anyone to go slower, we challenge everyone to race in a highly competitive competition. Why should one be rewarded for racing alone?

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Hipro5 take eg the 8800GT AM3 category , very very popular, even spot 99 get's 7.5 points in single card... the Rev3 is more baout single card thna multi setups... so why insist on playing just the multi card setup ?

 

The more people bench the more points EVERYONE get's !! This is one of the misconceptions maybe due to a lesser explenation !

 

because he can race alone

Single car race is a test drive not a race ;) no audience, boring as hell, no audience means no money, no money means no sponsors, no sponsors = no race...

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We don't ask anyone to go slower, we challenge everyone to race in a highly competitive competition. Why should one be rewarded for racing alone?

 

Hey Massman

 

I know what you re talking about. I guess we all know.

But it is a fact, that the new system is not as good as rev2 was. Rev2 was okay, just needed some little changes as i wrote b4. I rly like the idea of having 5 categories for 3D benchmarks. So its everyones decision in wich category he will take part. Ppl with less money would have a fair chance to get a fair amount of points in the 1xGPU category. This is about global points only.

 

Hollywood

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WE ALL BENCH for the DUAL card category and we don't get any score of it BUT we "cut" the FIRST score of the bencher who will play ONLY for DUAL card category..... ;)

SO if there are 10 people who played with SINLGE and DUAL cards and they have uploaded BOTH of their scores, HOW MANY points will the bencher who wants to play ONLY for the DUAL card category will get?.....0.1 points :D

 

Ok, I hear your problem. Here's what I'm thinking about

 

- All points you gather are added to you team's total. If you are 2nd and Tsan is 5th, it's better than you nowhere and Tsan 4th.

- The underlying cause is the multi-gpu being not so popular, not the inherent lower reward for this category

- You affect the popularity as well

- The "poor" bencher has the possibility to play in the single GPU category, whereas this used to be: you need dual gpu.

 

As far as I can see, it's still possible to get in the single gpu top 20 by using stock cooling (various examples available). This means that the we have the same effect as Rev2, but without the necessity to have to buy two dual-GPU graphics cards in order to get somewhere.

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I know what you re talking about. I guess we all know.

But it is a fact, that the new system is not as good as rev2 was. Rev2 was okay, just needed some little changes as i wrote b4. I rly like the idea of having 5 categories for 3D benchmarks. So its everyones decision in wich category he will take part. Ppl with less money would have a fair chance to get a fair amount of points in the 1xGPU category. This is about global points only.

 

I fail to see how this revision is any worse than rev2 for those who are less fortunate in terms of financial input:

 

- Rev2: 2x dualGPU needed

- Rev3: 1x singe GPU with loads of effort OR 1x dual gpu at stock

 

At the moment, it's not thát impossible to get into the top40 1xGPU or top20 2xGPU. It takes a bit of effort ... yes. That's the whole point of rev3 :)

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I fail to see how this revision is any worse than rev2 for those who are less fortunate in terms of financial input:

 

- Rev2: 2x dualGPU needed

- Rev3: 1x singe GPU with loads of effort OR 1x dual gpu at stock

 

At the moment, it's not thát impossible to get into the top40 1xGPU or top20 2xGPU. It takes a bit of effort ... yes. That's the whole point of rev3 :)

 

IMO everyone should gain points in each category. Okay, he does, but only the best placed score is for the user. The other one is for the team only.

I dont get what was that wrong the points were given in rev2.

What about the 5 categories for 3D benches? Is this idea that worse?

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I haven't looked closely om the implications for my own submissions yet, but I think hwbot are on a right track here.

 

btw, it took forever to read through 42 pages of whining LOL

But some posts have opened up a few valid issues here.

 

And If I have missed a few crucial points in how the algorithm works, please bear over with me and correct me.

 

First, I'm not sure the distribution of global points are optimal as of now. It is true that the reward for spending time and LN2 on multi-gpu is a little low when points are given out based om popularity alone. My thoughts went to adding a factor/multiplier to the globals of multi-card benches to make a 2-3-4gpu bench earn globals equal of the singles despite having only half or less number of submissions. I think the insanely hgh scores should be rewarded a bit on top of the points awarded for beating the others in the same category to make those categories more worthvile.

That globals in the single-gpu is worth more than the globals in mulit-gpu is discouraging for those benching for points (a rare breed, are they?)

And maybe the hardware factor should not be based on the number of, let's say, 3x4870 submissions, but have hardwarepoints based on the overall popularity of the 4870, single and multi?

Still won't make owners of the dual-gpu/single-pcb(x2 cards) cards happy, but there is no reason they should be more happy than owners of cards that are unable to run dual/multi slot/gpu.

 

 

And the "unpopular" hardware points drop-off are looking somewhat artificial. 1.5points for a gold cup in an unchallenged category is plenty. 1 point would be enough. If there are 2 or 3 users it is not unchallenged anymore, and should receive a little more, perhaps 1.5 point.

I also think a gold cup should be worth a considerable higher amount of point than a silvercup, and there should be worthwhile points up for grabs for being in the top 50%

 

For 5 submissions my proposal would be 1.5-1.0-0.7-0.5-0.2

 

For more than 5 submissions but less than, lets say 20, last place should be awarded 0.1 point. For more popular categories I think only top 2/3 (66%) should receive points, with last place(s) earning 0.1 point and 1st place earning a good deal more than 2nd who earn a good deal more than 3rd, and make a smooth slow even decent to the lowest 0.1 point.

What I try to say is that the drop off from 1.2 or 0.9 or whatever to 0.1 is too abrupt. And if 1.5 points are awarded for 1st, I think 1.2 is too much for 2nd.

 

Overall I think this looks good tho, now I just need time to bench and try get back those 500 or so places I lost in the ranking ;)

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IMO everyone should gain points in each category. Okay, he does, but only the best placed score is for the user. The other one is for the team only.

I dont get what was that wrong the points were given in rev2.

What about the 5 categories for 3D benches? Is this idea that worse?

 

The downside of allowing everyone to score in all categories is that you make it mandatory to compete in all 4 categories in order to be somewhat competitive:

 

- Financial input is extremely large (5870 + 2x 5970 needed)

- Financial input is rewarded over skill/effort (those who can affort to bench, get points)

- The 3D aspect of hwboints is not balanced with the 2D effort (24 3D benchmarks, 7 2D)

 

These are the three main problems we faced when splitting rankings further. There were a couple other minor ones, but I can't remember them all at the moment.

 

The 5 categories is most definitly a viable solution, but I'm not that eager to apply this kind of major changes at this point. Rev3 has been up for less than 48h, which means that the real paradigm shift has yet to happen. Currently, everyone's still applying the Rev2 benching tactics to the Rev3 game, which inevitably leads to "wtf is happening"-situations. Before we can uncover the real flaws of Rev3, and apply fixes where needed, we need people to actually test the system. Both purely for boints and purely for rankings.

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