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This conversation started at W9 forum: https://warp9-systems.proboards.com/thread/1474/gainward-bliss-7800gs-agp Yes, there is an issue with 7800GS/7800GS+ and Gainward variants of this but I'll

hello could you please add this cpu to the database https://valid.x86.fr/kk6vap its an  INTEL BLACKOPS 6 CORE 4.60GHZ

https://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/nvs_5100m/ Thread doesn't actually matter. Its just I didn't saw the requests in the other thread for some reason. 

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10 hours ago, Mr.Scott said:

Problem with that is, they're all 7800 GS. It is up to the user to find the good ones.

Well, actually no. If specs are different, we usually create a new category. I remember that GeForce 9800 GT Ultimate debate. For example all Renoir IGP are "Radeon Graphics" but range from 320 to 512 Shaders, would it be fair to have it all in one category? On the other hand, this has been like this for so long, that while a split would be good for consistency of the database, it also may produce a rage between users relied on old behavior.

The thing is always to find the point where we overdoing this separation of hardware parts. Like different CPU revisions. Dividing something because one rev is C0 and one is E0 would be completely useless, because its usual development of a CPU over the time to get better and better.  But a card which one vendor decided to put a higher tier GPU on a card with lower tier name is something different. The vendor made something unique and out of the specs nvidia intended for it. Making it in the end actually a new card outside of the usual naming scheme. 

@Antinomy Your opinion? 

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3 hours ago, Strunkenbold said:

Your opinion? 

This conversation started at W9 forum: https://warp9-systems.proboards.com/thread/1474/gainward-bliss-7800gs-agp

Yes, there is an issue with 7800GS/7800GS+ and Gainward variants of this but I'll handle it later as ATM I don't remember all the flavours of 7800GS and which ones could unlock or not and so on.

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2 hours ago, Antinomy said:

This conversation started at W9 forum: https://warp9-systems.proboards.com/thread/1474/gainward-bliss-7800gs-agp

Yes, there is an issue with 7800GS/7800GS+ and Gainward variants of this but I'll handle it later as ATM I don't remember all the flavours of 7800GS and which ones could unlock or not and so on.

My understanding is for unlocking you just check unlocked cores, new categories are for differences out of the box. 

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3 hours ago, yosarianilives said:

My understanding is for unlocking you just check unlocked cores, new categories are for differences out of the box. 

Yes thats the way it should be done.

According TPU GPU-DB:

7800 GS (G70, 16 Shaders)
7800 GS (G70, 20 Shaders)
7800 GS (G70, 24 Shaders)
7800 GS (G71, 16 Shaders)
7800 GS (G71, 20 Shaders)
7800 GS (G71, 24 Shaders)

 

outch! 😵

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People will fuck those up six ways from sunday. Gotta make it simpler.

And honestly, core model on those cards makes no difference from a benching standpoint.

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1 hour ago, Strunkenbold said:

Yes thats the way it should be done.

According TPU GPU-DB:

7800 GS (G70, 16 Shaders)
7800 GS (G70, 20 Shaders)
7800 GS (G70, 24 Shaders)
7800 GS (G71, 16 Shaders)
7800 GS (G71, 20 Shaders)
7800 GS (G71, 24 Shaders)

 

outch! 😵

From research.

7800GS 16P G70/G71 (G71 is very rare)

7800GS 20P G70/71 

7800GS 24P G71 

Thes rest don't exist.

Oh and the unlocking part there is a very very rare chance they do , haven't seen it myself on any of my cards should be G71 cards only.

Maybe split them into 3 subs or have separate subs for the gainward cards as the original 7800GS spec was 16 pixel pipes 6 Vertex all of the other card makers either called there cards the proper names like 7900GS and 7950GT 

 

The 24 pipe gainward is supposed to be rare anyway only 10000 ever produced or something so they shouldn't be a lot out there especially the special edition one I own with 500/700 clocks. It clocks high and smokes the proper 7950 GT

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55 minutes ago, Mr.Scott said:

People will fuck those up six ways from sunday. Gotta make it simpler.

And honestly, core model on those cards makes no difference from a benching standpoint.

For sure, thats probably also the reason Alex did no changes yet. And it might sound like a good idea to condense different GPU cores with little or no impact on OC in general for the sake of simplification of the db but I hope that we could find a general solution for the future where hardware gets matched to same hardware in the db, spec-wise, despite different names. 

 

6 minutes ago, Ashley98 said:

From research.

7800GS 16P G70/G71 (G71 is very rare)

7800GS 20P G70/71 

7800GS 24P G71 

Thes rest don't exist.

Oh and the unlocking part there is a very very rare chance they do , haven't seen it myself on any of my cards should be G71 cards only.

Maybe split them into 3 subs or have separate subs for the gainward cards as the original 7800GS spec was 16 pixel pipes 6 Vertex all of the other card makers either called there cards the proper names like 7900GS and 7950GT 

 

The 24 pipe gainward is supposed to be rare anyway only 10000 ever produced or something so they shouldn't be a lot out there especially the special edition one I own with 500/700 clocks. It clocks high and smokes the proper 7950 GT

Then TPU db is wrong and needs fixing.

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13 hours ago, Strunkenbold said:

And it might sound like a good idea to condense different GPU cores with little or no impact on OC in general for the sake of simplification of the db but I hope that we could find a general solution for the future where hardware gets matched to same hardware in the db, spec-wise, despite different names. 

Agree on both. I prefer to make a thorough research before making big changes like this. Anyway, I think Mr. Scott will agree that a vanilla 7800GS has no chances against a super-charged 24 pipe Gainward 7800GS+. And we consider the pipes locked. It's fine for me when a certain beefed up version of a card is better (like the Goes like hell and Golden Sample cards are) - better memory, better cooling, slightly higher clocks. But what we have here is a card with different specs. Think of a 7900GS card sold as 7800GT (and 7800GS vanilla is even weaker than 7800GT).

I like Greg's idea but we need to think of all cards that will get affected by this.
7800GS will get handled but don't expect it in several days. It's been this way for years and no harm if it wait some more. Harm can be done by rapid decisions.

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