ceemic Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Chiller, was that lited and tweaked Vista? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperhorn Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) Win XP x86 isn`t that slow with SP3 (IMO actually the best choice for x86), but when you talk about Vista and newer ones, you have to differ x86 and x64. @knopflerbruce: 10 % is a lot, not to say a HUGE difference. Are you really sure this is some kind of tweak instead of proper OS selection? Edited June 21, 2009 by Hyperhorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiller Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Chiller, was that lited and tweaked Vista? that was on Xp, NOT vista. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceemic Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 that was on Xp, NOT vista. i did this run on XP, and the score was much better then on Vista I ment, with what Vista You compared to it? I'm pretty sure that lited/tweaked 32bit Vista is faster than XP on wPrime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Win XP x86 isn`t that slow with SP3 (IMO actually the best choice for x86), but when you talk about Vista and newer ones, you have to differ x86 and x64. @knopflerbruce: 10 % is a lot, not to say a HUGE difference. Are you really sure this is some kind of tweak instead of proper OS selection? I don't have a clue... http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/Opteron%20165%20.09 http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/Athlon%2064%206400_%20X2 http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/Opteron%20170%20.09 http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/Athlon%2064%206000_%20X2 http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/Athlon%2064%205000_%20X2%20Windsor http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/Athlon%2064%204600_%20X2%20Windsor http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/Athlon%2064%204400_%20X2%20Toledo http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/Athlon%2064%203800_%20X2%20Windsor http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/Athlon%2064%203800_%20X2%20Toledo There are some scores with WAY better performance products than the rest if you look in the top 3 of all these categories. I don't have a clue what that special tweak is, but it certainly makes it close to impossible to break their scores without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Probably the different version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Probably the different version http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=763110 1.55 XP http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=608872 online submission http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=652561 1.28 vista http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=712943 1.55 vista http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=723934 1.55 vista http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=752347 1.55 vista http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=654304 1.28 vista http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=748928 1.55 xp http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=807804 1.55 vista (?) http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=731455 1.55 xp http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=587019 online submission http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=816027 vista 1.55 To me it looks like some kind of bug/tweak that happens in vista;) Maybe the xp scores I listed here were done with xp skin in vista, I'm no vista user so I cant spot the small detail differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 All three XP scores are indeed Vista + XP skin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 All three XP scores are indeed Vista + XP skin What's interesting is that only a small part of the vista scores get that kind of PP;) Someone should look into it IMO... I'm not a great fan of asking every bencher to reveal his tweaks, but this could very well be a bug. The difference is just too big. Agree? It's like someone starts posting 1m scores at sub-6.5s:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiller Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 i just run it on XP with skulltrail on dice, and NO tweacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71proste Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) on XP or Windows7 it's faster doh. are you joking isn't? XP it's the worst for wprime xp(lited/little tweaked) vs vista ultimate(no tweaks/few services off),same clocks and almost 1sek better than on xp(wprime32m) both 32bit knopflerbruce you're right mate some difference is too big Edited June 21, 2009 by 71proste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1ch Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 In my experience, OS plays a huge part in wPrime, and there are further tweaks that you can do to get better scores on top of that. I'm not saying that every time is perfect, but if there are suspect times, how about working out the PP for them (like Superpi) and seeing if there are any real anomalies? I would be happy to do some testing with my tweaks to give a ballpark "PP" figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartmasta Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 PP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceemic Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 "performance points" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71proste Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I would be happy to do some testing with my tweaks to give a ballpark "PP" figure. what tweaks are talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxi Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) What's interesting is that only a small part of the vista scores get that kind of PP;) Sure the one's who run a true benching OS, not their daily driver posting rig. I'm not talking tweaks here either, just a clean properly installed benching OS. Try it for yourself before you attempt to throw out everyone elses scores. Edited June 24, 2009 by Maxi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Sure the one's who run a true benching OS, not their daily driver posting rig. I'm not talking tweaks here either, just a clean properly installed benching OS. Try it for yourself before you attempt to throw out everyone elses scores. Do you think I run my benches on a 24/7 OS? I have 700-ish results, it's pretty obvious that I have some drives for benching. By all means, I'm no expert tweaker, but I know "the basic stuff", which should be enough to avoid being ~10% behind in the PP department. If someone posted a 6.00s run of spi1m at 6.6ghz wouldn't you want to find you how someone can get that kind of score at the given clock? I'm not saying anyone CHEATED here, but something is a bit weird. I've seen people freak out for 44k PP 1m runs, which is only ~2.25% off the normal "limit" at 45k. Here you have an irregularity which is 3-4 time greater, and you ask me to install a clean OS:o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxi Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I'm simply pointing out that your reference to the scores in the DB may not be the whole story, many people do bench their 24/7 systems. Once again, I would ask you to try benching wPrime under Vista before you jump to any conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I'm simply pointing out that your reference to the scores in the DB may not be the whole story, many people do bench their 24/7 systems. Once again, I would ask you to try benching wPrime under Vista before you jump to any conclusions. I did try Server 2008 once (very briefly), and that OS was definately not that much faster more or less "out of the box". if all Vista scores had been that much faster it wouldn't have been a problem, as it would be obvious that the OS itself would be faster. But that's not the case, most Vista results are pretty normal - only like 20 scores are wicked fast. I'm not saying you should flag every single one of them, but it would be nice if someone would confirm that the tweak or whatever is legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxi Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I can personally confirm it, as well as other hwbot crew members. We would not let those results stay in the DB if there was not a good reason for them being there. That's why I'm asking you to try it for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiborrr Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Go with Win7 for Wprime, for older chips you might want to try pre-XP OS. It's a more or less 'car low' type of benchmark. You repeat it until it doesn't get any better anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceemic Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 OT: what's the trick for fast pifast run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 OT: what's the trick for fast pifast run? Memory plays a big role, so get a nice pair of sticks and mess around with the timings:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceemic Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 knopflerbruce, tnx. But any specific OS and system tweak? How about changing priority and affinity with some .bat file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiborrr Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Sure ceemic, that's helps a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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