havli Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I just noticed this thread... and I am not sure I understand the issue completely. 1. Pwds. Checked are in ascending order So the "Pwds. Checked" column must contain all the numbers strictly in ascending order - i.e. the lowest number is first in the list and the highest one is last. No high numbers "in the middle". 2. Make sure that thread selected divided to total available threads (cpu threads) is not an odd number. The thread count could be like this? dual core CPU -> 2, 4, 8, 56, 60, 64 quad core CPU -> 4, 8, 56, 64 and how about single core CPUs? Does this bug apply for them as well? For example this score is done on single core http://hwbot.org/submission/2367371_havli_ucbench_2011_duron_1.0ghz_24.3_mpt_score Is it considered as bugged because of the Pwds. Checked number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 so what if you only run 1 setting? automatically accepted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Except it never is bugged on default settings, I know what you meant. Easy to control then if that's true. Bench must be run at default settings only. What's the issue? Default or get rid of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Easy to control then if that's true. Bench must be run at default settings only. What's the issue? Default or get rid of it. I agree, not everyone is going to fully understand the whole bugged or not bugged situation and the only way to guarantee good results every time is to force everyone to run stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Yes only Windows tweaking And what about non retail OS like Neptune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Strunkenbold Posted May 7, 2014 Crew Share Posted May 7, 2014 Easy to control then if that's true. Bench must be run at default settings only. What's the issue? Default or get rid of it. +1 But also keep in mind that, when we only accept default thread count, probably 40-50% of results have to get blocked. And than we have to think about if it makes sense to keep this bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 +1 But also keep in mind that, when we only accept default thread count, probably 40-50% of results have to get blocked. And than we have to think about if it makes sense to keep this bench. Totally agree. :celebration: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havli Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Well, if Ucbench will be removed from HWbot, we should get some other benchmark (with HW points) as a replacement. It shoud be capable of running on Pentium class CPU (without MMX / SSE). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Well, if Ucbench will be removed from HWbot, we should get some other benchmark (with HW points) as a replacement. It shoud be capable of running on Pentium class CPU (without MMX / SSE). Again, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Again, I agree. Not sure if I do, we should be looking more towards benchmarks which really do test the likes of the 4960X fully Multi-threaded to give points to. Old benchmarks like wPrime 32M really aren't good enough any more as the CPUs are just too good for the benchmark. If we concentrate on getting benchmarks to run on older platforms then we run the risk of not furtureproofing for the latest chips. Imho we need a new benchmark which was as hard as SuperPi 32M for the old P4 CPUs but is fully multi-threaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calathea Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) Well, if Ucbench will be removed from HWbot, we should get some other benchmark (with HW points) as a replacement. It shoud be capable of running on Pentium class CPU (without MMX / SSE). I really liked UCbench, opened up for more activity with interesting choices, clarkdale, wolfdale, even mobile cpus. A new benchmark which works 100% and is similiar to UCBench would be the best IMO. Edited May 8, 2014 by Calathea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Ucbench works good in default settings and is an nice benchmark too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havli Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) I like UCbench very much - it has wide support of CPU instructions and thus scales well with many CPU generations. There are not much (multithread) benchmarks working on stuff like dual socket 5 Pentium and newest Core i7 at the same time If default settings is 100% bug-free, it would be best to keep it. I personally have no problem rebenching all my stuff to to meet the new rules. Edited May 8, 2014 by havli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobnova Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Sounds like it needs a wrapper, and then to have the database purged of all pre-wrapper results. I don't think we can really ask the mods to check every single result, because: 1) That's a crapload of results and therefor work. 2) The mods won't do it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 ^ Started working on it, just on hold until I can deal with real life stuff. Yes we (I) would, it's just the crapload of PM's you have to answer after you delete the scores that's going to take time :\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I recant my position slightly. Default is NOT the only way to run this bench and fulfill El Genieben's requirements. It just takes a little more work. UC Bench should stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GF]Duke Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 So, is this a bugged score? Will global points be restored when the wrapper is finished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Duke;309620']So' date=' is this a bugged score? Will global points be restored when the wrapper is finished?[/quote'] Bugged. Odd number used in every second thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.nfraR.ed Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I'd say run at default settings (as we did in our local forum in the past) and only allow manual instruction set selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GF]Duke Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 What happens when you run a single core cpu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Duke;309636']What happens when you run a single core cpu? If my testing is anything to go by it's extremely bugged with odd numbers amongst other things. Single core brought more consistent bugged runs for me than with a dual for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christian Ney Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Wasn't expecting it to work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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[GF]Duke Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 rofl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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