Luconosa
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I would say: ''Respect my authoritah''
:D Something like that yes.
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3DMark.com Lucid MVP detection is not even designed to be 100% foolproof. It is designed to catch cases where the user simply is using settings that shouldn't be used for getting proper comparable scores.
Of course it is not. But let me give you an advice as someone who has quite expirience in psyshology of marketing.
Never make claims like this in public about your company ( I assume you are working for 3DM, because you said " we'll take a look" ).
It is like you've put big banner on 3DM page : " Use/buy our software, but do not mind the results, we are not designed to be 100% foolproof. "
Your company is always the best, all problems are just small bugs, and of course you are already working on it.
Sure, the cheats can not be stopped, there are no perfect protection, but my point was that "legit results" from 3DM are not so legit, and 3DM link on result is proof here on HWB.
The third score stands out like a sore thumb on the "too good to be true" scale but at the moment we haven't implemented automated flagging based on that, mostly because CPU/GPU clock frequency detection isn't an exact science (especially with new hardware) and it is a key bit in making such determination.Yes, it stands out, but just because I listed you all 3 results. It is not so unusual if you are looking just for GTX 680 and do not looking at CPU freq.
For a average user even then with all 3 SS it would not be suspicious unless he know what are average results for rigs similar to mine, but then he is not so average user
.3DMs target group is average customer, not maniacs from here
)))))) Correct me if I am wrong.@ LuconosaOkayyyy, let me double check all your scores
Do that, but be aware of one thing, my parents live in St-Prex, from there it is easy to locate guy with LN2, and house which smells by burned components.
))))))))))As for the ''there is no way to tell if LV was on or not'' we (Moderators at hwbot) are supergods (omniscient and full of powers)... we are like... let's say Chuck Norris in an Iron Man suit
(no kidding)
You can only be suspicious because you know which result is out of space, but you can not prove anything. Soner or latter that way without proof, wrong person is accused. If you do not mind about collateral damage that is OK.
Ask yourself, what would Chuck do in your place?
)))))))))))))Best regards,
Luconosa
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Hi all, my 1st post here.
Now about Lucid Virtu. I think it should be allowed.
I will say the most important reason, and that is the fact that charts are already messed up with LV. Today I tried to confirm my suspicions and I think that I am right.
You will be the judge.
Here is what I got, and if that is detectable (not suspicious but detectable and with proof that LV is used) I will cover myself with my ears and never post anything here.
The problem is I don't believe I am the 1st who managed how to do this. We can't know how many results are already Virtu results. Unles someone is ready to revise all. And even then it is all by feeling, no proof at all.
All that can be done is to check every single result with LV capable CPUs, or adapt and allow it. Other ways will always be suspicions by members that they are losing points by "illegal" means. Then make it legal
and remove those suspicions.OK, let’s see
1st bench - LV off, proof with verification link, all by the rules.
Ver. link: http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3568007
2nd bench - LV on, proof with verification link (detected by 3DM), easy to notice if posted and report
Ver. link: http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3567902
3rd bench - what do you think? I would say suspicious (that if I look at all the specs, not suspicious for quick look at GTX 680 scores), also with all verifications by the book it must be regular. I would never report score like this, even if it is not legit I can't prove anything. No one can. All left is just suspicion. I do not want to make fool of myself and risk raising false alarm. That is how most of us think, and that is why I think that charts are already having many results which are gone under the radar.
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3568117
SS are not edited by any means.
If any of mods of HWB want to know (if already don't) how I've done this please let me know. Same is for people from 3DM, because they have big flaw in system which they are not aware of.
I think it is not clever to go public with guide how to "cheat". Wasn't even sure should I public this. I've decided to show what can be done so the people do not live in belief how everything is OK, when most probably isn't. As I said above, I do not believe that I am 1st person in the world who get idea how system works.
If I am the 1st, and this can be solved before damage is done I will be happy.
Now, my personal opinion about LV.
It is new technology, we all agree that. What ppl do not agree is, is this software tweak or hardware improvement. I say is it really matter?
What are we doing here on HWBOT? We are competing who can show SS of bigger or smaller number on the screen with machine he have.
With HW/SW evolving the numbers are bigger or smaller (depends on bench we are doing).
I think there is no big difference between LV and tweaking comp in BIOS. If you know how to change IDE to AHCI you will have better results.
The point is to use everything you can to get better numbers, no one even asking you to have everyday working rig, just be able to take SS and that is all.
Ironically LV is technology incorporated in fully functional (still to see how it will work in everyday life, but obviously it has effect on benchmarks), everyday machines and it is not allowed.
Especially if you look at PCMark05. My God it's a tweak fest. Whole hardware tweaks in PCM05 are enabling RAID.
Of course, to achieve crazy score you must tweak your OS to almost non working conditions, and do some very questionable steps during test (anyone stuck on 0.1 Pixel shader after big jump in TW with Flashdesktops
)))))) ) . If you ask me, boints earned that way are better candidates to be erased.Sorry for big post, and please excuse me my spelling and grammar, English is not my native language.
Enjoy
..........Luconosa is putting his antiflame coat and raiding into sunset
)))))))))))))p.s. sorry for the 2nd SS, now I noticed that all 3 CPU-Zs are opened at CPU tab, but it is all the same as other 2.
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Still lots to tweak. I don't have registered version, so its PITA working on blind.
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Phishing ?
Nice to see you are working on it, that is one way I guess (did not try it), but that is not my way.
We will see will that fix block my way too.
I'll tell you how I've done it of course, no matter if your fix work for me or not. But latter, now I am curious to see what will happened.
Btw. I am still just asuming that you are 3DM employee, you did not confirm or negate.
Relax my friend. I know you are doing your best, to improve your service and to prevent cheating. I was just pointing in flaw in your system. No need for so many excuses. I do not have any "goal" or "mission" with your service.
Info e-mails, sorry not in my adress book. Those emails are 95% neglected for various reasons, and I am too old to write unavailling emails.
Company so big should care for their product and reputation, if they are doing it through you as their official here I'll tell you directly. But info emails, no ty.
If you are really their official here they are doing good job, if you are here on your own, then they should pay you, and if they are already paying you but you are not 3DM official here, they should give you a raise.
Best regards,
Luconosa