RagingCain

That button only sets the boot setting. Still have to reboot to enable or disable it. If you check the screenshots, it can be enabled and disabled but Harmonic will still show it invalid if HPET/RTC isn't actually being used by the OS. Vice versa, if it is enabled, then disabling the boot setting doesn't stop Harmonic from showing valid since it is still being used by the OS.

Thanks! It isn't possible to disable it while the OS is live. You can not turn HPET off without a reboot. You can't turn it on without a reboot. The only thing you can do to cheat is a Photoshop job.

Let me know if this is sufficient on items 1 / 2. Also added the HWBOT.ORG logo as the icon. I hope that is alright, if not I will remove it. There is also a help page, link included below. Each item also has tool-tip explaining what each bit of information means. For the 3rd option, I would need an actual list of software you want me to look for so I can download it, run it and test each one. In addition to that, how would you like me to handle multiple benchmarks detected (i.e. multiple benchmarks running in memory)? Harmonic (x64) v0.003 - Direct Download VirusTotal Scan Help Link: http://www.bytemedev.com/harmonic-help/

I am not sure what the issue is. Performance wise there should not be an issue, it utilizes a few hundred microseconds (worst case) of CPU time for processing once every 1000 ms. The HPET/RTC frequency is coming from Unmanaged code / C++ by invoking Kernel32.dll. It's triple threaded, I am using basic primitives, instead of objects, one redraw per second, and Stopwatch object class, tick counts and utilizing platform clock frequency to time conversion. Start-up requires one extra function running through a BCDEDIT enumeration to determine if the Useplatformclock is set to yes. If you guys utilized the program, you would see how lightweight (almost zeroweight) it is. It even functions perfectly well given Low priority thread process. Installation wise there should not be an issue either: Windows 8 comes with .NET 4.0/4.5 by default (depending on the ISO / Setup Utility age.) Windows 8.1 comes with .NET 4.5 by default. Neither of which are removable. If there were valid criticisms, such as, the GFLOPS and GIOPS don't need to be calculated and displayed, that would be fine since this is just a prototype. They were initially there for testing FSB/Bclk manipulation, I just haven't had time to see how it phases them and tick drift. Since that was a calculatable concern when Windows 8+ was initially barred.

Harmonic (x64) v0.002 - Direct Download (from my Website) VirusTotal Scan GUI modifications, a little less cumbersome, HPET Usage setting on boot up displayed, Enable and Disable HPET/RTC button.

That's because I built it on my lunch break at work. Windows 7 UI, with Aero disabled is how I like my system. I had no Windows 8 machines at work to screenshot. Sorry. This is my home computer, Windows 8.1 UI. Note: If you are talking about it missing the other data, you simply click Start Monitoring.

Direct Download (from my Website) VirusTotal Scan This is coming from OS/Kernel. No registry setting trickery.

I will look into it No definitive timeline at the moment, but shouldn't take me long.

I didn't realize the 3DMark 2013 was foolable to use or not use HPET/RTC. As I discovered, none of my results submitted were valid until I fully enabled HPET, and only HPET. Which correlates to the last post I made. I suppose if you gave me a list of desirable information, I could create an application with the data visible. Full (non-hybrid) HPET / RTC frequency is very different than soft clocks. It should be readily noticeable if it is on or off. Include some timestamp, how long the application has been running etc. I also don't know if it is possible to disable functionality in real time (i.e. it requires a reboot I think to disable it.) I suppose after a certain amount of "evidence" one should give the user the benefit of the doubt and once users start submitting results you can do similar system comparisons to weed out the shifty users. I would recommend separating results though. Windows 8.x vs. Windows 8.x for points. Since .NET is installed by default on Windows 8+ machines, I will make it 4.0 compatible, requiring only whats installed on the system. If you have any questions on what would be looked at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn553408(v=vs.85).aspx This also seems to be the same issue in Windows 10, so something has to be done or benchers will have no choice but stick to Windows 7 forever.

Thanks for the consideration!

RTC/HPET detection has been there in 3DMark since September 2013: http://www.futuremark.com/support/systeminfo

That option to filter CPU by cooler, is not available on CPU + GPU benchmarks such as 3DMark, which is why I have requested them. Mistake, or purposely incorrect, benchmarks aside, I was simply requesting both filters for CPU and GPU could be added to latest versions of 3DMark/Heaven because of how CPU intensive they are.

It isn't tamper proof necessary, the work has been done by 3DMark, it detects during the benchmark if you are actually using an RTC or HPET clock vs. Windows. Results submitted are not valid unless it, itself, detects the RTC, HPET in use. I tested this out last night myself. I merely provided a tool that quickly allows users to enable it, but the command line works just as well.

Don't you think that is a little inefficient, when I could just filter CPU by cooling type and compare all CPUs side by side actually using Air? If it doesn't affect current users, just creates an additional way of sorting to air-only benchmarks and runs... who would it hurt? Considering that your overall score is primarily governed by your CPU, not your Graphics Score. It isn't strictly a 3D test is it? Unless I am missing something. I think it would make HWBOT more approachable to newcomers personally.

It's very well programmed I assure you. On Windows 8, 8.1, .NET is integrated. Despite which: bcdedit /set useplatformclock true

3DMark only allows valid submissions if using HPET, I found on Win 8/8.1 I have proof under my 3DMark profile if you would like me to grab those. My application WOLF @ http://www.bytemedev.com/wolf, allows users to specify RTC/HPET as the clock in Windows 8/8.1/10 (as long as the motherboard has HPET/RTC enabled too.) It's very simple to enable.

I am sure it's been asked, but is this something we could? The majority of air cooling scores in multi-hardware tested benchmarks, such as 3DMark, greatly benefit by overclocked CPUs. The ones with greatest overclocked advantages are non-air cooled CPUs. Many of the leaders on air right now are using LN2, Single Phase Setup, H2O, Dice, etc., and stock GPU cooling, but it's labeled as air. I am not one for raining on their parades, even if it seems cheesy to label it as such, I just think since the 3DMark score is sorted by total points, which is heavily reliant on the CPU, it would be fair to allow ranks/sorting based off of pure Air/Fan cooling as well. In the example attached image, not a single person in that picture is using air cooling for CPU. If that is as intended fine, but I do not see the harm in separating the two groups to allow rookies, budget cooling, or even having air as limitation, seeing how far they can push things and gauge against other pure air cooled machine.

Merci beaucoup! Just curious, would it affect our score? (Do I need to re-submit it for calculation?)

But can we get the Stock "clocks" fixed, its claiming those lovely GTX 580 stock clocks for us. And why does my Location in the top right corner need to be shouting UNITED STATES? Reminds me of "Matt Damon" from Team America....

Is it just me or is the referenced stock clock for the GTX 590 (which is 607) a little too high on HWBot's Comparison list?