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Ticket ID: 834 Priority: Medium Hey guys,\r\n\r\nCan\'t seem to edit one result of mine:\r\nhttp://hwbot.org/community/submission/958493_r1ch_pcmark_2005_core_i5_661_29022_marks?tab=more\r\n\r\nWanted to add the GPU and clocks I was using. \r\n\r\nCheers,\r\nRich -
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Before it decended into a flame-fest... My thoughts too. This whole thread is a little desperate, in my opinion.
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03 is about as close as you get to a 3d benchmark now. With rev 3, people now focus on one card so there is less of a cpu bottleneck which is a good thing that many don't realise.
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Just affects Clarkdale or Lynnfield as well?
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Nice score mate.
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If points are the only reason to attempt a world record then I think this is very sad. Compare this to footballers who get paid £100k a week to play football because they are the best in the world for their clubs but then refuse to play for their country at the world cup "because they don't get paid enough". On the development server, kingpin dropped to 4th I think. He benched 1x5870 quickly and that's the only reason he's #1. It will take time for everyone to do this - not everyone can react so quickly. You are riight at the end, the best overclockers - people like you, hipro, kingpin and andre are still there at the top of the leaderboard!
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I don't think this change is fair for all types of users - this is going back towards Rev2. Why can't Rev 3 be given a chance to settle down? At the moment the single GPU categories are very hit and miss for the quality of results. Once there are more results in the single GPU categories, it will take much more skill to rank highly in the single GPU ranking than to bench 5 pots. Just because a user can manage 4 cards, and 5 pots, doesn't mean they're not being rewarded in hwpoints - they can prove their skill and earn their deserved points with one of the cards - this is the Rev 3 competition. The single card category is where overclockers skill can be fairly evaluated without money or sponsorship getting in the way. This is what hwboints are for and the reason Rev 3 was introduced, was it not? This is the whole point of Rev 3 which has barely been given a week to settle in. WR's are a significant achievement, yes I completely agree, but I don't think they should be given more points (in terms of the pure ranking for differentiating who's a better overclocker). Maybe this is the perfect opportunity for Achievements to be promoted more. "Ruled the rankings: 3DMark01", "I was the king: 3DVantage" etc? Maybe there should be a "World Record" medal that appears next to someone's name when they've been skilled enough to take a world record? I think this is the road we should be going down. If this must go ahead, I would like to see it delayed for a week, a month, something to let the Rev 3 settle in a get a better idea for how the points distribution works out and the skill required to get those points. I would also like to see the points greatly reduced, and the number of positions reduced to the top 3, or maybe top 5. Those points are only achievable to the single card categories though, I think? I think hwbot is in a difficult place - you are trying to give people who don't have massive sponsorship and endless money the chance to compete, but trying to keep those people who do have that happy as well. I don't envy you the decision!
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I take nothing away from your previous score, we've all spent time, money and effort getting scores that have now lost a lot of points, but that was always going to happen with the change. You have got to give the current system time to settle down. If you benched a GTX 280 or 285 in the same way you did before, you would score lots of points. We should be looking into the future, seeing what is the best for future scores, not what makes past score 'fair'.
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While I am all for rewarding world records, I think the current Rev 3 already does this. This "extra" points total would take things too far. For example, take the Aquamark #4 postion, 1x HD 5970, stock cooler, not overclocked. http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=925857 Scores 29 points already, with this change it would score 110 points I think that's too much.