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    HWBOT Integrated Forum rankings

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted

    this is the code i should use ?

    _hwb.push(['type={param}']);

    _hwb.push(['params={option}']);

     

    If i read it right, you need to customise these options to pick what type of info to display mate.

     

    Try:

     

    _hwb.push(['type=teamrank']);

    _hwb.push(['params=bench_tec_uk']);

     

    And choose any of the following for the first one of the two:

     

    submissionranking, memberranking, teamranking, member, team, competition, submission, newsubmissions, teamgoal, membergoal, teamrank

    HWBoints Adjustment #1: 3D WR Bonus

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted

    For hwbot without awarding WRs open the gap between bot and WRs and make people to decide only one thing...

     

    I think, WRs need to be awarded...

     

    But anyway people like kingpin and AndreYang are in the lead, 3.0 didn't changend that much here...

     

    If points are the only reason to attempt a world record then I think this is very sad.

     

    Compare this to footballers who get paid £100k a week to play football because they are the best in the world for their clubs but then refuse to play for their country at the world cup "because they don't get paid enough".

     

    On the development server, kingpin dropped to 4th I think. He benched 1x5870 quickly and that's the only reason he's #1. It will take time for everyone to do this - not everyone can react so quickly.

     

    You are riight at the end, the best overclockers - people like you, hipro, kingpin and andre are still there at the top of the leaderboard! :)

    HWBoints Adjustment #1: 3D WR Bonus

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted · Edited by r1ch

    r1ch - You missed my point a bit I guess. There will be always new WR's with new hardware. Only the highest score in some benchmark is world record. Not some single GPU run, no matter how good it is. (Unless real WR can be taken with single GPU)

     

    These new WR's have to get some bonus. That is the "fair" part in there.

     

    My example was too personal and that score is done last summer, so it wasn't good for it. I mean, that this change is needed for the future. That way game will be fair for all type of users.

     

    I don't think this change is fair for all types of users - this is going back towards Rev2.

     

    Why can't Rev 3 be given a chance to settle down? At the moment the single GPU categories are very hit and miss for the quality of results.

     

    Once there are more results in the single GPU categories, it will take much more skill to rank highly in the single GPU ranking than to bench 5 pots.

     

    Just because a user can manage 4 cards, and 5 pots, doesn't mean they're not being rewarded in hwpoints - they can prove their skill and earn their deserved points with one of the cards - this is the Rev 3 competition. The single card category is where overclockers skill can be fairly evaluated without money or sponsorship getting in the way. This is what hwboints are for and the reason Rev 3 was introduced, was it not?

     

    This is the whole point of Rev 3 which has barely been given a week to settle in.

     

    WR's are a significant achievement, yes I completely agree, but I don't think they should be given more points (in terms of the pure ranking for differentiating who's a better overclocker).

     

    Maybe this is the perfect opportunity for Achievements to be promoted more. "Ruled the rankings: 3DMark01", "I was the king: 3DVantage" etc? Maybe there should be a "World Record" medal that appears next to someone's name when they've been skilled enough to take a world record? I think this is the road we should be going down.

     

    If this must go ahead, I would like to see it delayed for a week, a month, something to let the Rev 3 settle in a get a better idea for how the points distribution works out and the skill required to get those points. I would also like to see the points greatly reduced, and the number of positions reduced to the top 3, or maybe top 5.

     

    The points difference between 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc is already big enough... why make it worse?

     

    3D01:

    1st place:154

    2nd place: 112

    3rd: 67

     

    Those points are only achievable to the single card categories though, I think?

     

    I think hwbot is in a difficult place - you are trying to give people who don't have massive sponsorship and endless money the chance to compete, but trying to keep those people who do have that happy as well.

     

    I don't envy you the decision! :)

    HWBoints Adjustment #1: 3D WR Bonus

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted

    Current point system is taking too much away from WR attempts. For example, when I did my 3DM01 runs last summer and got 135K, it was extremely hard work and took time and money from my pocket. In this current system you will get 14,7 points with that score and it is not fair at all.

     

    I take nothing away from your previous score, we've all spent time, money and effort getting scores that have now lost a lot of points, but that was always going to happen with the change.

     

    You have got to give the current system time to settle down.

     

    If you benched a GTX 280 or 285 in the same way you did before, you would score lots of points.

     

    We should be looking into the future, seeing what is the best for future scores, not what makes past score 'fair'.

    -> Validated score still wrong? Let us know here

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted · Edited by r1ch

    First, I'm not sure if I'm right with this so I don't mean any offense to 3oh6 and if it's not a problem that's fine.

     

    http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=860974

     

    PCMark05 default resolution is 1024x768, his res is 800x600. Does a lower res give a higher score in PCM05 like 3DM?

     

    I have tested this tonight, a number of tests score a lot higher.

     

    Can this be blocked please? I am sure it is an honest mistake by Jody. :)

     

    Another one: EDIT: reported the normal way ;)

    http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=900564

    wPrime 1024 WR

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    it has to be solid; not just analyzed; current workload for moderation is high enough;)

     

    Hi jmke, what are the problems with splitting into single socket and multi socket categories like the 3D benchmarks?

     

    I think this would be a good idea. If we know what the issues are, then hopefully we can find a way of solving them. :)

    What's the "trick" for wPrime...?

    in General overclocking

    Posted

    In my experience, OS plays a huge part in wPrime, and there are further tweaks that you can do to get better scores on top of that. I'm not saying that every time is perfect, but if there are suspect times, how about working out the PP for them (like Superpi) and seeing if there are any real anomalies?

     

    I would be happy to do some testing with my tweaks to give a ballpark "PP" figure.

    Wrong position for time (0.01s difference)

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    Thanks for replying jmke, thanks for asking rb and I like your thinking on the faster time ;)

     

    I know I asked before, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself but you didn't answer the question in my last post...Can you say whether it's ok for me to modify my time 0.01s faster so that I get the correct points and rank? Yes, it would have the wrong time, but it doesn't affect global points, and it would be "getting around" the 2 dp problem. As knopflerbruce says...

     

    Don't you think it's better to have a correct rank, than to have a 0.01s error for a result? You can always ask him to delete the score and reupload it, THEN it should be behind. If he refueses to try that it's obvious he doesnt want to give the rank to it's rightful owner;)

     

    PS: perhaps you can "force" the slower score behind the better by changing it to that 0.01s lower, and after a few hours change it back? Then paybe the engine thinks it's newer as the time was modified after the better result was submitted.

     

    Can you answer these suggestions please?

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