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    How much you want to pay for HWBOT?

    in HWBOT Rev.4

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    Voted "0" euro, not because i can't afford to give 10-20 euros but because isn't fair for a lot of guys, in some countries 10 or 20 euros is a month wages. Also there are many young guys in here and maybe they can't afford to pay and i think we shouldn't push them out of the community.

     

    Hwbot must be free for every person on the world.

     

    stealth

     

    in country's where there is genuine hardship hwbot could exempt them from subscription

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted

    with rev 4

     

     

     

    to be at the top of the team league now you only need 5 members

     

    say fully supported by gigabyte with endless hardware maybe have some guys that work there for good measure just to make sure you get the full wax

     

    and that's it, gigabyte are the top of the team league

     

    and not to forget that gigabyte get to rule the single ranking as they do now by paying one of there employees to bench all day

     

     

     

    and gigabyte are your main sponsor

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

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    I find it this way. Team is as strong as it's best players. So, in this new plan only the best scores will get points and rest will go to user account only. This way only the teams with strong players will be on top. I find this fair solution, cause you can find strong players from every country.

     

    I think UFL users should affect Team rankings, so the playground is quite fair.

     

    I don't like the current situation where you can push with the mass. If some team have some good setup, it can be "sold" around and team will earn huge amount of points. That is irritating our users and leading in to constant reports about hardware sharing.

     

    So, I still think the new version of team rankings is good. Now the good teams can show their talent and the teams with mass power will not be on the top. It was the same with hardware points before. When it was not limited in overclockers league, some user with 2000 hardware points were in the lead without any overclocking involved.

     

    I hope you can rethink this, so I don't have to fly in to UK. I don't mean, that I wouldn't like to come haha!

     

     

    lol you dont need to come to the UK just the benchtec forum

     

    it will be good for you to see all the benchers there that have worked so hard as a team

    being told that they are no longer needed

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted

    Valid points Kenny and bazx.

     

     

     

    I need to reply to this.

     

    Rev4 is end product of our constand development. I feel bad to watch when some people think that Pieter is just greedy and alone behind all these changes. It is not like that at all.

     

    Manufacturers should take part in to funding this site, cause they use this site for their marketing anyway. If we let them do that without any fee, we would be just bunch of fools.

     

    I am tightly connected to HWbot and I have large part on this new revision. The UFL is made to make community happy. I personally have been feeling a bit bad sometimes, when you push your hardware to limit, someone hit it down with some comment about ES samples etc. It is not any less valuable result, if it is done with some non retail parts, but of course it will annoy some users.

     

    So, there is a solution for this and it is UFL. There all manufacturer puppets can figth between each other and they does not mess the XOL league at all. That way normal users does not have to directly compete with Hicookie or Nickshih, but they can compete in their own league. In every league the level of support and hardware should be quite equal.

     

    We can never find 100% balance in to these, but we need to have some faith.

     

    All these changes are end results of very long conversations and development. These all are made to change this hobby in to right direction and I really think this is the step, which is needed.

     

    Please, no more personal attacks to Massman, cause he is indeed working for this site, but he is not behind all "evil" :) If you guys can do correct critisism and ideas, we can take them in to account. If this conversations turns to be BS all the time, no ideas can be takend from it.

     

    So, think before you post and try to see larger picture!

     

    Thanks!

     

    i would like to invite you to a meeting @benchtec to explain to the team that they have nothing to fear form rev 4

     

    This would go a long way to helping my team understand your plans

     

    i understand it will take some of your time so i would be very grateful if you could attend

     

    if you pm me a day this week or next that you will be free to answer question i will setup a forum notify the team that you are coming to explain rev 4 and how it will benefit them

    Because as this stands now they do not understand at all the need for this change

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted

    Would you really like to pay for the use of this site? If that is the case, we should consider that as a one option.

     

    The idea have been opposite from the beginning. Users should not be the ones who pay the costs of running this site. And there is 26 000 + users and maybe 1000 would pay and rest would not. People like it, when you get it free. No matter what it is..

     

    So..there is a problem but it might not be easy to solve without manufacturers as a sponsors.

     

    i would be very happy to pay a subscription for what this site offers us as benchers

     

    in life i cannot think of any service that i use that is free

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted · Edited by bazx

    If it's a fact that manufacturer support equals certain bending over, does this mean that BenchTec UK is bending over for:

     

     

     

    If yes, I have to rethink the value of the reviews. If not, you will have to rethink some of your principles/.

     

    Our team is set up as a democracy any team member that gets stuff sent to them

    Can Put there logo on the front page and publishes their own reviews, i have no input into any arrangements that team members have with any manufacture

     

    And that’s all they get from us

     

    i personally have no sponsorship from any company and would not want it

     

    benchtec is self funding and has no moneys coming into it from outside so is independent to make its own decision on its path

     

    There was a time when i thought it was cool to be sent parts but have moved on from that mind set

     

    And now realise that it was a mistake

     

    i am now much happier without all the crap that comes with manufacturing support and i truly believe Hwbot would also benefit from a break form sponsors

     

    With a move to subscription you would be masters of your own destiny

     

     

    edit: after some thought there is one company that has supported benchtec from the start and has asked for nothing in return, Intel UK

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted

    We've had the donation button up for so long now ... what we have incoming is appreciated, but it doesn't even come close to covering even the server costs. It seems that a situation of mass-hysteria has been created (i also sense some team moderators are making their team go nuts) and this for no apparent reason.

     

    As said, I'm not going to ask the community for money. You can all use this service, but you're not paying for it. Manufacturers are using YOUR results (no matter where you post them, by the way) for marketing and research, ergo they should be the ones paying for the development. Very simple.

     

    manufactures should not have any say in how hwbot is run they cannot be trusted to make the best decisions for the benchers here

     

    if you take money from them they will expect there pound of flesh

     

    donation buttons are fine but not reliable

     

    that leaves subscriptions as the only viable method of funding hwbot

     

    you could even set it up so that subscription was not needed until the user had 50 points

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted

    I think we should go back to topic: constructive criticism on Rev4.

     

    How HWBot fund the site should not be part of this - perhaps it can be discussed in another thread ?

     

    @Massman:

    If there is a possibility for the community to help - maybe you can think about it and make a suggestion how this could be realized.

     

    rev 4 is about funding

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted

    i think what you just said is more to do with your own need to talk with manufacturer

     

    when i started to bench there was no manufacture interest in us

     

    and the longer i have been around overclocking the more i realised that we don't need them

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted

    your problem is how you want to fund hwbot

     

    if you go with manufactures you will be bent over and told to touch your toes

     

    if hwbot need support to survive it should put a small $2 a year subscription on the service

     

    and stay in control of its self

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted

    benchtec is setup around the "team" every bencher contributes what they can and gets thanked by the rest of the "team" for there efforts

     

    we fight hard for every .1 point

     

    the "team" is central to our being here

     

    anything that makes the "team" less important will be hard to sell to benchtec members

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