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    Rev3 Up and Running - Complaints, Ideas, Ramblings, Comments ... but no bugs

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted · Edited by Schnitzel_12000

    Open the window and get -10c in your room, that should help as well:p

    OK.Sign,

    With properly tweaked and maxed out systems I can't imagine that you're way off receiving boints on air, even without opening the windows. But if you can't tweak or use good cooling, of course that's disadvantage.

    Watercooling is the next step. If you're serious about having overclocking as a hobby, you'll make the change one day. We cannot reward people for not being able/willing to try new cooling methods.

    Off course,too

    But it's not me i'm talking about.

     

    A cheap water block and a pump isn't that expensive, either, btw... you don't even need a radiator for that ghetto chiller I suggested.

    Yes,but this is not the key .

    The key is that you get a different reward for one thing.

    Of course you get another (and better) reward for popular hardware,too.

    But it's human nature only to complain if you are worse dispositioned.

     

    What I mean are the yesterday scores,not the ones from tomorrow.

    Rev3 Up and Running - Complaints, Ideas, Ramblings, Comments ... but no bugs

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

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    If two submissions get the same score, one cooled by LN2 and "push Ok and run"- style, and the other is tweaked to the limit on air, and get the same there is no way we can reward them differently. Skill may not be correctly rewarded in all cases. But by setting the limit to 50%, and making the rewards relatively small for the first boint giving submissions we reward those who can tweak their air cooled systems as well.

    That was more an rhetorical question.Its's clear that the reward is the same.

    But it's still a Problem for thr Airbencher.

     

    However, I don't see why it's not possible to just put some ice cubes in a bucket with water, and make a water loop with no radiator, and then get an advantage that way instead of using a stock cooler:confused: Cooling skills should be rewarded, too.

    Perhaps an novice has no Watercooler?

     

    Sure people have benched after rev. 2 before, but it's not THAT different for grinders: buy cheap HW and max it out, getting as much boints as possible. The onyl big difference i can think of is that before you get automatically rewarded if less than 20 users benched (rewarding low skill, as it takes no effort to get boints), and now you have to beat a few guys to make it.

    You say it,the difference is the reward.

    With the current system the winner takes it all.

    And this is a very big step in relation to rev.2.

    And the ones who benched after rules and awarding from rev.2 left out in the cold.

    On the other side you pushed popular Hardware to the sky.

    In my opinion this is an unfortunate balancing.

    Rev3 Up and Running - Complaints, Ideas, Ramblings, Comments ... but no bugs

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

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    "lots of time" is also hard to define. If you spent 6-7 hours straight trying to get that validation and perhaps a quick superpi run, and risk killing it several times in the process by trying different means to really max it out, then I agree - it's worth a fair share of boints. Is that what you meant by "alot of time"? Or do you refer to the overall time needed to get the complete collection of results Lippokratis has?

     

    That's the point

    For the "skill" it don't matter you run a HD5890 under LN2 or for example a mx400 under air.

    In both ways you must go to the limit to get on the top and also you must spent a lot of time to get it.

     

    The term "easy boints" is also quite weird... why should there be such a thing at all? Just run the bench, tweak nothing, do nothing, and get boints... not something to reward in a competition. You may get some achievements, though (if you have enough submissions). That's enough if you don't manage to sneak into the top 50%. Getting boints means you've done something that's not so bad - not that you've pressed the start button and ran the benchmark.

    Of course,this is a problem.

    For the algorithms there is no difference between both.

    But how it can be handled to make a difference?

     

    About the slow boint degradation discussion I'd like to add that if you beat the second place by a mile, you certainly deserve a bit more boints than 10% of the 2nd place, and the same if you've spent some time tweaking to be able to beat whoever is first. Normally, the top spots are pretty good - and beating them should be rewarded properly.

     

    I agree with that,there must be an attraction to fight for first

    But there is another point of view,too.

    Lippokratis for example has maked most of his points under the rules of Rev.2.

    It may be that Massman and his Team believe that rare Hardware must be degraded in rev.3.

    There were no Problem if this handled so fom the beginning.

    But the cut between both revs is to much for the ones who specialized to old and rare Hardware.

    It cant be,and this is the point, that someone loose half his points by changing the rules.

     

    The best thing you "rare HW complainers" should do is to bench more - the more competition, the more boints for the best scores, and more available slots for boints.

    Yeah, thats right.

    But there were in the past only a few competitors and imo this will not change in the future.

     

    Sorry for my english,but I think you now what I mean.

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