Videocard specifications requests : Geforce 6100/6150 specs and category are wrong

[Antinomy]

Ticket ID: 606

 

Priority: Medium

 

I\'ve been benching these chipsets and found out that there is a number of 6100/6150 chipsets. That's what NVIDIA driver says us:

NVIDIA_DEV.0240.01 = \"NVIDIA GeForce 6150\"

NVIDIA_DEV.0241.01 = \"NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE\"\

NVIDIA_DEV.0242.01 = \"NVIDIA GeForce 6100\"

NVIDIA_DEV.03D0.01 = \"NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430\"

NVIDIA_DEV.03D1.01 = \"NVIDIA GeForce 6100 nForce 405\"

NVIDIA_DEV.03D2.01 = \"NVIDIA GeForce 6100 nForce 400\"

NVIDIA_DEV.03D5.01 = \"NVIDIA GeForce 6100 nForce 420\"

 

Whe can see two series of chipsets - the ones with DevID 02xx and with 03xx. The difference is that the first family is dual chip (two south bridges) and the second are single chip. But also the first series is based on Crush51 and the second on Crush61. The new Crush as I read (very poor info on them) has some Z-buffer optimizations enabled. And it's speed increased on same clock. But all of the second series chipsets have their VGA clock at 425MHz. The difference between the 6100 405, 430 and 400 is only the functionality of the second south bridge like USB et cetera. The difference between gen.2 6100 and 6150SE is that 6100 supports 17 PCI-E line (16+1) and 6150SE supports 18 (16+1+1). All these things make no influence on the subject - the graphics. They use the same platform and all specs are similar.

 

So I would like to ask to combine all Crush 61 results in one category because the difference between 6100 Crush51 and 6100 Crish51 is much more than between 6100 C61 and 6150 SE.

 

As for the first generation, the 6150 has a different clock, 475 which is worth a separate category. And as for the 6150LE - I haven't found any info on it yet about it's differences.

 

And the category info needs to be updated, the 6100 are integrated and aren't based on NV43

 

P.S. as I just found out, the difference between 6100 and 6150 is VC1/H.264 decoding support for 6150. Also it supports newer DXVA (2.0) and DVI stuff and so on. Nothing vitale for 3D benching maybe combine the Crush51 in two categories, the 425 clock and 475?

Edited October 4, 2009 by Antinomy
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[Turrican]

huh, sounds a bit complicated to me.

i've updated/edited a few things.

[Antinomy]

huh, sounds a bit complicated to me.

i've updated/edited a few things.

Yep, thank you. That's better, but still not perfect. Why did you leave the 6150 having changed everything else? It's C51. And delete the memory frequency of the 6150LE and 6150SE - cause it's integrated.

 

The thing I'm trying to show is that the C61 6100 are much closer to 6150SE rather than C51 6100. So the category separation is wrong. Look at the 3DMark 06 (GPU intensive load) results - the top5 is on C61. Didn't look the rest.

 

I'll try to get a board on C51 6100 to check the speed difference.

[Turrican]

The difference between gen.2 6100 and 6150SE is that 6100 supports 17 PCI-E line (16+1) and 6150SE supports 18 (16+1+1). All these things make no influence on the subject - the graphics. They use the same platform and all specs are similar.

that doesn't matter imho. the card has a different id and the specs (pci-e line) are slightly different.

so there's a seperat category for it.

it doesn't play a role if the performance is similar.

 

if we merge them people will ask for a new category because the 6150se isn't there anmyore.

[Antinomy]

that doesn't matter imho. the card has a different id and the specs (pci-e line) are slightly different.

so there's a seperat category for it.

it doesn't play a role if the performance is similar.

 

if we merge them people will ask for a new category because the 6150se isn't there anmyore.

Well, I don't think this makes sense. We are talking about integrated video. So there's no card. There is a chipset and a GPU part. You say the ID's different. So, if we take a two-chip chipset, for example, the old 6100 and different secondary south bridges - 405, 410, 430. They have different ID's but the primary south is the same - 6100. We put the in one category despite the south bridge. So why does this change when we go to single-chip south bridge?

Take a look in the driver:

NVIDIA_DEV.02E0.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT"

NVIDIA_DEV.02E1.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS"

NVIDIA_DEV.02E2.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT"

NVIDIA_DEV.02E3.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GS "

NVIDIA_DEV.02E4.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GT "

NVIDIA_DEV.0390.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7650 GS"

NVIDIA_DEV.0391.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT "

NVIDIA_DEV.0392.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS "

NVIDIA_DEV.0393.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT "

NVIDIA_DEV.0394.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7600 LE"

NVIDIA_DEV.0395.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT "

 

You can see two 7600GT, 7600GS, 7300GT, so why don't we make two categories, cause

the card has a different id. it doesn't play a role if the performance is similar.

In fact, the performance is not "similar", it's the same! Though, the performance and chip of the 6100 when C51 and 61 are being compared is not.

As for the specs - should we separate the ATI All-in-wonder series in a separate category - their specs are different, like the ViVo support, aren't they? The answer is - it doesn't give anything in 3D performance. Like the extra PCI-E 1x doesn't.

 

Well, I could show a lot more same cards with different ID's (like 9500GT), but I think the example was enough to show my opinion. The same platform (I think the AMD and Intel chipsets may be separated), the same videochip (but not in 6100 - there are two if them) - different categories.

 

You can name it like 6150SE/6100 (C61 only) category. or a full list of supported chipsets, I mentioned above. The same is for 7050 if they have same video. I think there should be an addition to what is meaned as a different card. And there should be both cases - discrete and integrated viewed separately. IMHO, the GTS250 and 9800GTX+ have less reasons to be separated than 6100 C51 and C61