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  1. Gentlemen,

     

    Mr Scott : You're joking?

    sunset 1: Read again and try to understand.

     

    1st : This is in HWBOT Competition - for all submitters.

    2nd: This is about cooling.

    3rd: Sunset1: Who does use dice for 24/7 or 16/7 or even 8/7 ? Same with LN2...

    4th: Mr. Scott. I don't mind being flamed, burned, offended even - that is the human nature - You're defending Your points, understandable.

    "Normal" I'd say.

     

    Who said Thank You to both replies:

     

    Scott - Apprentice

    Gunslinger - Extreme

    GtiJason - Extreme

    Samsarulz - Extreme

    zeropluszero - Elite

    wiLLius - Extreme

    suzuki - Enthusiast (traitor :) )

     

    Mr.Scott, please be so kind and enlighten me with the wrongfulness of my statement as I'm unable to do so by myself. As it is my statement and I'm truly into it....

     

    This wasn't a discussion it was a cut. If You could please get a bit more involved.... I'd be thankful.

  2. Hello Everybody. :)

     

    What do I want from the competition rules? Fairness.

    I've studied this subject from the very beginning of me on HWBOT. I'm competing for over a year.

     

    Firts thing: I was tuning 2x E5-2696v4 four days to get the Global Record in HWBOT265... and few more days for other benchmarks.WAter Cooling and Air Cooling.

    This is information about speed a normal or professional user can get.

    Guys from Elite got i9-7960X, for free, ES.

    I've lost 100 points. Well now 200...

    Elite: can do OC with extreme coolants , are given ES & QS chips.

    How to compete with something like that? Does anyone think it's fair?

    How can You give global points for something that is strictly unfair. Or this all forum is all about promotion of product...

    Promotion that is not giving any true information - There were no test with Air nor water cooling.

     

    Elite: They should be getting other points. Of course those WR should be listed, but not without mark that this is an Elite score, done by paid or otherly rewarded specialist with totally different cooling approach.

     

    Second thing |: You have to be a bad or unexperienced OCer, or totally loose silicon lottery to get worse score on LN2 than with H20, AIO or AIR.

    But we compete in Global Points between Leagues.... well, not everybody wan't to use LN2, LH or other impractical cooling solutions. Why? Beacasue for instance it doesn't matter for 99,9% of PC/WS users.

     

    Those two things are that kills the competition spirit - in theory everyone has the same chances. But nope. We don't have same chances now.

     

    My proposition: Make 2 Groups depending on the cooling, and for those 2 groups Global point are dependent from a Group of cooling. The table of scores would be able to be sorted by score or by points

    Not much to do: just another descriptor.

     

    1. Extreme--------------------- 2. Conventional

    LN2,DICE,LH ----------------- Air, H20, AIO, Glikol, alkohol etc.

     

    Extreme is defined by something which we do not normally have at home.

    Conventional is defined by something standard, that we do normally have or could have at home or do by ourselves, would not have to investigate it more often than in 7 days for instance (maybe months..).

     

    Extreme Cooling Group - Elite, Extreme, Apprentice (Extreme Novice)

    Conventional Cooling Group - Rookie, Novice, Enthusiast

     

    The Global Points are different fo ES/QS/Unreleased/TBS CPUs (or GPUs) - those are Elite points - and they 're not getting into standard ranking

    or ES submission are never getting any points or they're not getting any points until those chips are available on the second hand market and allowed to be used by public.

    Still Intel or AMD will give the best to Elite, and so it's still a bit unfair but much more fair than now.

     

    There should be option to tick - Elite Record - and You get Elite Points and it's not getting into World Record nor Global nor HW Points.

     

    The competition would be much tighter and much more intense for sure.

    Much more in this competion would be depending from money, much more from the best settings & precise regulation.

     

    Also I would choose the colors for those Groups - Elite - like it is. Extreme - red, Conventional - blue.

     

    What do You think about that kind of an idea?

  3. Physics Score @ GPU, not CPU ;)

     

    Well, I cant agree. E5-2697 v3 is much faster than E5-2683 v3.

    Please be aware that despite those two having the same number of cores, these are totally different chips.

     

    CPU- Z score for frequency is misleading.

    Look at the best Cinebench R15 score

     

    E5-2683 v3 - 2133 cb (great RAM - timings 11-11-11-27)

    0.0`s Cinebench - R15 score: 2133 cb with a Xeon E5 2683 V3

    E5-2697 v3 - 2349 cb (timings 15-15-15-36)

    ADVenturePO`s Cinebench - R15 score: 2349 cb with a Xeon E5 2697 v3

     

    ADVenturePO`s GPUPI for CPU - 1B score: 3min 17sec 511ms with a Xeon E5 2683 V3

    ADVenturePO`s GPUPI for CPU - 1B score: 2min 53sec 583ms with a Xeon E5 2697 v3

     

    Those are different chips.

  4. Hello, please be aware that this motherboard doesn't have any OC options for CPU. Z9PE-D8 WS does.

    On Z9PA-D8 you can only manipulate power states and RAM frequency. You'll have to find by trial and error the best settings in power section of CPU settings.

    Do not turn off power performance switch. Be sure you have Turbo and EIST enabled.

    Also note: Z9PA-D8C is able to work with non-ECC unregistered memory modules UDIMM . Z9PA-D8 /IKVM is unable of that. Even if it will start it won't work under load.

    Cooling solution have to be equal for both CPUs.

    I'm using water for no. 1 with cooling pushing the air from inside to the top and up and big air for no.2 with blower to the back.

    It's quieter than 2 water AIO.

    Be sure to work with physics of gases when you organize cooling. Hot air goes up, cold air goes down...

    Have a nice play with this setup..

    Ps Why not E5-2690 V1?

  5. Mr.Paco - thanks for a reply. Do You support idea of this being not fair?

     

    I.nfraR.ed, thank You for a reply.

    (About validation: I disagree: can You look at the sceenshoot at a side? Well, it isn't my fault that CPU-Z cant read the max frequency in dual CPU systems. Many times I'm achieving much higher frequencies than shown in validation. I didnt put it from air. I run benchmark SuperPi and CPU got instantly at highest frequency)

    You wrote:

    "All results in single-threaded benchmarks like superpi, pifast, cpu frequency go to the unified ranking and only your best counts, no matter how many cores you had enabled during the benchmark." But it's not about cores but number of CPUs. Other boards, other RAM, other PSU... And why should the worse result stay at the main CPU page if the score was beaten?

  6. Hello HWBOT Community!

     

    Have anyone of You encountered a problem with single socket vs dual socket submissions?

    I did.

    I'm a Xeon overclocker and thus I'm submitting single and dual socket benchmark scores.

    But only one of them can count. Only one of those two can be given points and only one of them will be shown on the table of the CPU under the amount of the sockets with which I had a better score.

     

    Examples:

    E5-2690 frequency

    Dual Socket:

    ADVenturePO`s CPU Frequency score: 3951.46 mhz with a Xeon E5 2690

     

    Single socket:

    Christian Ney`s CPU Frequency score: 3799.9 mhz with a Xeon E5 2690

     

    But I did upload better Single Socket score:

    ADVenturePO`s CPU Frequency score: 3815.65 mhz with a Xeon E5 2690

     

    It doesn't counts. The Single socket 3799MHz for Christian is still in the Single Socket Page for this CPU. Despite in fact it's not the best score.

     

    Example no 2

    2x E5-2696 v4 PiFast

     

    My Single socket result:

    ADVenturePO`s PiFast score: 17sec 850ms with a Xeon E5 2696 v4

     

    Dual Socket result goes for H20 vs LN2:

    H2o vs. Ln2`s PiFast score: 20sec 500ms with a Xeon E5 2696 v4

     

    But I have uploaded Dual socket score: 18s 280ms

    http://hwbot.org/submission/3397588_

     

     

    There is more of it od course.

     

     

    I do find it as a problem because:

    1. I'm not getting scores when I should.

    2. The results on CPU pages aren't real - 10% faster result is a difference of a processor family.

    3. Regulating single socket and dual socket isn't the same.

     

     

    How can we change it? Who should I turn to?

     

    Help me please.

     

    Peter (ADVenturePO)

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