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    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

    Posted

    This is hilarious PJ

    Yes we found 47 people

    You found 4 people supporting you. Even hwbot crew dont support the idea. Where are all these people you keep talking about that wanted this. Let me guess they are too scared to Vote.

     

    Im going to leave this thread now with mad we have said all that needs to be said. I hope you see reason with what the community wants.

    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

    Posted

    Cheers for that PJ,

    So bottom line if I read correctly is,

    too much work to run pro league and OC cup.

    There's no following of pro league.

    You believe that OC cup will create a following.

     

    I understand these points very well.

     

    Unfortunately the majority of pro overclockers do not share your view that this will create any more of following than the pro league did.

     

    We do what we enjoy doing, we have lives, I run my own company that is currently booming and I am working 16 hours a day, a wife and 2 kids leaves no time for competition league, I think you will find many of the pro overclockers feel this way, OC is a hobby nothing more. It's not a career, it's what we do for enjoyment and having the ranking there to show Australia has some of the best in the world encourages the hobby for Australians. Notice we took our names down in favour to represent our country.

     

    Surely a better transition and testing of your idea would have been to utilise the already working competition engine with f1oc and see how many participants you get, then look at merging the 2 together.

     

    Just our view.

    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

    Posted

    Not really slams, I think you will get the same turn out in pro OC cup with pro league there, people will join the comp if they want to, it should be a comp like the last f1oc was. NO ONE IS SAYING DROP THE OC CUP, it's a good idea, we just want PRO LEAGUE left how it was.

    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

    Posted

    What's really interesting is you have not taken any of the professional overclockers opinions, you have done only what you wanted to do. I think the poll is speaking for itself, this is no longer a community website it's mass mans website.

     

    Why would it bother you to keep pro league it doesn't hurt the OC cup ? There is no justification for not allowing it to stay.

    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

    Posted

    Freestyle?

     

    It's weird that I actually get messages from community folks that say the Pro OC Cup is a great idea, but they don't want to reply in public as the hate directed towards them is something they don't want to deal with. You don't need to participate in the Cup at all, I don't want to force anyone anywhere.

     

    Pro oc cup is a great idea, but removing the pro league is an issue.

    If you believe through messages that removing pro of league is a good idea then act like a community site, start a poll let the community decide to keep pro of league, then honour their decisions. If community want to keep pro co league then keep it.

    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

    Posted

    So where the fuck are we to be placed PJ ?

    You want to force us to pro oc cup ? We do not want to participate.

    So we have nowhere to go, you won't let us join xoc because dino works for gigabyte.

    This is by far not a community website, you make your decisions and do not care at all what input you get, the community says DO NOT GET RID OF PRO LEAGUE, your reply DON'T CARE WILL DO ANYWAY.

     

    This becoming a complete joke.

    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

    Posted

    Options were considered and arguments were given why some options made things needlessly complicated or would not have the positive effect some people think it would have. Vivi was still one of the youngest overclockers attending the latest MOA grand final, apart from JJJC, meaning the influx of new extreme guys is very, very, VERY low. I'm not sure how some of you guys think overclocking will "move forward", but the severe lack of new blood at the top rankings is a very, very big problem. And we're not talking about guys enlisted in companies - we're talking people like Splave, Rbuass or Xtreme Addict who try to climb their way up to the top with own funding. These are community members.

     

    We've seen that the Pro OC League simply doesn't work. We've seen that the OC League doesn't work. So how on earth can you guys argue that keeping the Pro OC League is definitely the way forward?! That logic does not compute here. Most of you haven't spoken a hundred words about the Pro League since it kicked off, but now all of the sudden is the reason you bench and the only motivation to bench? C'mon, don't be rediculous.

     

    As for the $$, what can I say. There's a simple economic reality that requires every single project, whether it's community-driven (look at the staff here!) or pure business (look at Futuremark), to have enough income to run and (god forbid) grow. Having a dedicated developer doesn't come for free, unless you all agree we should go back to last year where sometimes there were no bug-fixes in months due to a severe shortage in available development time. If I want to get more audience to spectate, obviously that is related to an increased economic activity in the overclocking eco-system. The eco-system is far bigger than just HWBOT or me, it's all the teams that are trying to get a review or test sample. It's the people that are organising events such as EOC or AOMC and trying to get funding. It's the people that reach out to vendors for sponsorship and help setting up an overclocking event. Of course, I want HWBOT to benefit from that increased economic activity - I would be stupid and irresponsible if I didn't - but that does not make this project any less community-driven. Any statement of such nature I find highly offensive, in fact. I know what I do and why I do it and money has, quite frankly, very little to do with it.

     

    // yes, I'm typing this angry and disgusted //

     

    It's quite simple. If this was a $$-driven website, you would not see anything like the Hardware Masters (99% old hardware), not a single Country Cup (no sponsors required), oldies such as 3DMark01 and Aquamark removed, not a single HWBOT OC Challenge and so on. The only thing that would matter is the latest 3D benchmark and nothing but paid overclocking results. Do you love your 3DMark01? We still rank, reward and write about it! Would a corporate $$-driven machine do that?

     

    No, the rules for the OC League don't change. Latest generation ES is not allowed, because the community doesn't want those used in the rankings.

     

     

    Pj i am sorry but seriously do you actually think this can become a spectator sport?

    Lets be real here weve already seen the death of gooc and moa. why because this shit dont sell and the ROI is crap. We wil never have a following like gamers you are deluded if you think this is a good marketing strategy. Extreme OC is a niche HOBBY it will never be anything more. Reality check desktop mainbards will be obselete in 10 years everything is going mobile. You need to appeal to the mass market bring something and work on enthuisiast league ie gaming benchmarks. Leave extreme oc as it is. It will never be the tool for mass marketing and good ROI.

     

    You have now alienated 80% of the extreme overclockers. We are the niche. We wil not make you rich. If you wan traffic start gaming orientated and review material. Extreme OC is not a viable marketing solution.

     

    Please dont take this to heart. i really like you as a person and enjoy your company. Your a great guy.

    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

    Posted · Edited by uncle fester

    Hey peiter.

    Long time no chat. I am runing my own company now so havnt got much time for oc these days. Will only be when we all catch up now. I can tell you pretty confidently that team.au wil not participate in the f1 style oc league. We all have families and real life reaponsibilities that focusing on benching is not a reality for us. I wish you the best with the f1 style league but i doubt it will be as successful as you think.

     

    Now we have dreamed for an f1 style comp to return but i believe removing the pro league to make way is not the right way. F1 league should be run seasonally as a competition NOT a league.

     

    We will not stop benching regardless what happens here we will continue to bench what we want when we want. We dont define ourselves by a ranking on a website.

     

    Just an opinion.

     

    We all know you will do what you think is best. Lookong forward to catching up again. Hopefully ill have time to catch up at computex.

    Clarification in PCMark'05 about Tweaks // Tricks allowed

    in Benchmark software

    Posted

    As I know, TE is still aloud. I didn't replace any files in the benchmark folder, my friend!

    I think you are only offset by don't knowing the TE tweak!

    If you can't proof I replaced files, keep your mouth shut!

    If you knew any about the TE tweak, you knew that is not about replacing files in the benchmark folder!!! Running scripts it's NOT forbidden, as I know!!!

     

     

    Well you will have to provide proof of your TE to admins and they will make the decision.

    Stop the hostility in here.

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