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You misread it. Read it again. Verify each SUBMISSION. As in, have someone look at the submission before they are allowed to submit their OWN results. Maybe if you want 3 checks per submission you show 3 screenshots per screenshot submitted...idk, it's just an idea. It's easy enough to implement (specially in PHP, you just shift that shit out to the submissions sql database(s) and add a row)...but it's really rough. Submissions have to be completely anonymous, so you have to encrypt(ish...) any info about it and extreme submissions would have to be handled differently so morons don't thumbs down it just cause it's a wr score or somethin. IDK, you guys work it out, you're the ones making ad revenue (or you can give me a cut and i'll work it out ) This is getting OT though...if you want to discuss it further take it to OCF or PM me here.

Can you extend this policy to all scores? I believe the way these things are usually handled is that the burden of proof lies with the accuser (in this case the accuser is also the judge...nother topic entirely). I haven't seen anything that proves dejo was cheating. Now, even if we work backwards, assume every score is cheated until proved otherwise, that means ANY score without a video now has to be removed from the bot. I'm not trying to be rude or argumentative, I just think that a CLEAR reason needs to be presented that applies, not only to this situation, but to the entirity of the bot. Given, this is a rather specific case, but what if it arises again, you need a precedent to fall back onto. Even if you are using this as your precedent to establish some sort of fallback, you have not provided justification for WHY you believe either the spirit of the bot or the rules themselves support your decision. Again...I know I sound like an asshole, but you guys say you want to steer clear of trouble, this is the way to do it. I suppose the issue is overarching. Submissions at the bot take a sort of purgatorious nature upon submission. They become more valid over time as more people see (and check out) the results, but are (with exceptions...top 20 namely) not verified upon submission. This lack of verification and lack of denial puts the admin in a rather powerful (and admittedly difficult...I wouldn't wanna be in you guys' shoes on this at all, trust me) situation. You have the ability to say "because of lack of proof, this submission is ___________" and fill in the blank with either valid OR invalid...maybe this is something to be addressed in rev 4, requiring a score to go through some sort of anonymous validation process, forcing users to validate a score or 2 before they can submit...idk, just something to think about.

Ok...if no one's being accused of cheating, why is October not on our team anymore? What EXACTLY is the violation here? The REASON behind this. You've said it's for the good of the community, and I can understand that desire, but on what precedent? What portion of the rules states it's not allowed? And I don't even need to quote you to saying that dejo was score sharing...that sounds like a cheating accusation to me. What about pulling results? Is that something you do to results that you think are legitimate (not cheating)? EDIT: Also, Maxi, if you look at the scores in question, the icon layouts are completely different (sans the windows placed ones). If you look through dejo's old submissions for 03 you can see he developed a style of placing these that (imo) his daughter picked up, whether it was taught directly to her or not.

Fine, that would be well and good, but be SPECIFIC. Lets say I want to get my roommate into things...do we have to share an account? What about my girlfriend? What about family I don't share residence with? What, SPECIFICALLY, is wrong...you have yet to give any indication of that.

Err...proven innocent? Guilty until the staff decides otherwise, regardless of the amount of proof...to the argument that window layout is the same, that's something that's very easily learned. And honestly, dejo's a smart guy, if he were trying to cheat anyone out of anything don't you think he would have rearranged the windows some?

This would be a good solution. If you don't want it happening, write a rule stating SPECIFICALLY, how distant a community member must be from another community member for them to both have boints. You're denying scores on the vague notion of suspiciousness.

Sure seems like it to me... First off, how about facing ACTUAL reality first in that they can provide any sort of proof you might desire as they are FULLY legitimate in their venture. Second off, you are not ASKING, you are TELLING. You have not given any option but points or team OCF. Third off, this situation has been brought to light, we have a thread, verification can be posted in public for ANYONE to see...there's nothign under the table about this. Perception and reality are two completely separate things...and the REALITY of this situation is that there is nothing wrong with what is going on. but you're perfectly fine with just banning her from earning points from her team...I can see how much her facing cheating accusations would "crush" you. How many points is so many? out of the 1000's of points OC Forums has, how much difference is that 300 making? I can tell you, it's not even 1 place on the leaderboards. see previous point. Also, I have a rather hard time believing that dejo would have ignored your wishes when HE came to YOU to clear it. I don't begin to see what is unreasonable about their situation now. If you're gonna start pulling scores for using the same boards, ram, and cpu's for 3d, you should take a look at icebob's 3x580 run that was done at the OCF benching party. That is Brollok's CPU, 1 of dejo's 580's, 1 of brollok's 580's, 1 of icebob's 580's...and I think icebob's board and ram. If that score flies, how do any of these not? OH, so THIS is the point where you're out of line...insisting that low end hardware be used. So it's still either points or OCF. what community members are upset here? What proof do they need? Is your purpose as the leader here not to serve the people of the bot? Has the community not shown (enough?) support for dejo's cause? Because she's his daughter...he's her father. THAT's why it has to be the same team, just because of that fact you are saying they cannot be on the same team? Where do you draw the line? Families? Households? Family+household? How do you justify your decision on that point? Quite honestly, you seem to lack ANY justification for your case and it has turned into a big issue of 'cause you say so...which is not sufficient reason for anything. Honestly, I think they should be suspicious. I'm suspicious of EVERY submission that I look at...I look it over, check it out. If it clears, then I let it go, if not I take action. This clears. The only crime here is being open and honest about their intentions.

bah, put up the wrong stuff.....gonna rerun em tho