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I assume that the basic edition will launch with it then?
All versions launch at the same time - they are the same executable.
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Over the weekend we made the difficult decision to postpone the launch of 3DMark 11 by a few days.
Our aim is that 3DMark 11 should provide accurate, reliable and consistent results from the start. With that goal in mind we are taking some extra time now to fix a couple of difficult bugs rather than patch the benchmark immediately after launch.
It might take a day, it might be a week, but either way we'll confirm the new launch date as soon as possible. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
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Issues with card clocks are related to SystemInfo, not the benchmarks themselves or the ORB. I cant recall if the latest build improves on those or just fixes compatibility issues but if you want to try it, currently the way to install it is to run Game-o-Meter once (it will install the new 3.51 systeminfo) and then running the benchmark. I know it is bit of a kludge-workaround to get the update, but that was the quickest way we could do it.
Benchmark-specific SystemInfo patches will also come soon but they are unfortunately delayed due to 3DMark 11 launch taking up the developer resources. 3DMark 11 will also ship with the new SystemInfo so once you install that, it also gets updated (affecting also older benchmarks as far as the hardware detection goes).
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So PCMark11 is coming as well
Ooops.
<jedi mind trick>You never saw that. </jedi mind trick>
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Follow up to this:
The code guys couldn't immediately say what could be causing this but it will be investigated. However, due to one outstanding critical issue with SystemInfo *and* the impending launch of 3DMark 11, they simply don't have time this week and possibly also next week. The issue has been recorded to our internal bug database but I can't promise a quick fix.
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Investigating the hanging issue. I'll let you know when I hear from the PCMark code guys. This is definitely news to us.
I recommend that always when you run into any issue that you think is an actual benchmark bug to *tell us about it*. Either through Futuremark forums or through our support channel, http://www.getsatisfaction.com/futuremark - or use the feedback tab on the new ORB.
Naturally when overclocking etc. always first ensure that it isn't just your system or just one specific (buggy?) driver. But once that's pretty much ruled out, yes, do tell us. Especially in cases that involve current benchmarks (PCMark Vantage, 3DMark Vantage) as we have preliminary plans to do a maintenance patch for them early new year after the new benchmarks are out.
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Quick question:
In the past, free versions of the benchmarks allowed upto 5 published verification links and unlimited storage of submissions. Does this mean that the free version only allows 1 saved submission, which can be made public or kept private?
Correct. You can run the benchmark as many times as you like, however when you view a result for the 2nd time, you have to choose if you want to keep the new result or the old one you have saved.
However, note that unlimited storage is a "Pro ORB Feature" - you get it for all benchmarks if you own at least one Advanced Edition benchmark - 06, Vantage or 11 (or one of the PCMarks). Ads will also go away as soon as you have one paid benchmark on your ORB account. So Basic Edition + paid Vantage or 06 will also result in unlimited storage.
Also note that any results you submit with free version will be still saved and can be found using search, even if you delete it from your single storage spot on your account. The only limitation is that you can have only one score on your personal account. The whole system for Basic Edition has a slightly new logic - you can think it like this;
- You can submit as many scores using Basic Edition as you like. Those all go to the database and can be found using search (and are public).
- Only one of those, the one you choose, is on your account. You can delete it or replace it with a new result.
Can we save benchmark results offline with the free version to upload in the future (eg: benching on system not connected to internet and upload from other PC)? In addition, do we see the score output on the basic version without having to check online?
Saving results offline and viewing result offline in benchmark UI are Advanced Edition features. Basic Edition can only show & submit the score to the online service - same as 3DMark 06.
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Just a heads-up; 3DMark 11 will launch on Tuesday, November 30th.
More details and a new trailer on the official site, http://www.3dmark.com
The new ORB will be rolled out before that, so it won't be long now... if you want to take pretty pictures of the old ORB, better do that now
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Sounds good!
Is there any way HWBOT could take care of the online submission system for 3DMark01?
I believe Pasi will email you - it is a theoretical possibility, tho there are some potential technical obstacles.
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ORB Support of Legacy Benchmarks - Round 2
Last week we made an announcement about the upcoming full rewrite of the ORB, complete with some changes and a planned discontinuation of legacy benchmark ORB support. We asked for your feedback and boy did we get it. In fact we were taken completely by surprise by the number of people who wanted us to continue supporting older benchmarks.
We are really pleased that so many people still find the older benchmarks useful and entertaining. So, we took another look and discussed the subject at length, considering what could be done, with all options on the table.
After considering the situation, we decided to take the time and do the extra work to continue supporting older benchmarks. It can't be done in time for the launch of the new service, but adding support for 3DMark03 and 3DMark05 to it will be our top priority. There will be a short transition during which 03/05 support will be unavailable.
As to 3DMark 2001 SE, we debated on it a lot but ultimately it boils down to several obstacles that, in combination, prevent us from adding it to the new system. First, even today 3DMark 2001 results in ORB are no longer validated in any way as the hardware component detection routines that shipped with it are not compatible with today's hardware, so the benefits of ORB validation are already very limited - the SystemInfo component used is completely different and cannot be updated like with 03/05/06/Vantage. The result format also has nothing in common with the later benchmarks, unlike 03/05 that are much more straightforward to support.
Then there are the usage figures - 3DMark 2001 SE usage is only 1,5% of monthly benchmark results in ORB (In comparison, 3DMark03 is 2,6% and 3DMark05 is 4,8% of total monthly usage. 3DMark06 and Vantage together are over 90% of all 3DMark results). I know some of you are going to be disappointed, but when you combine the technical issues blocking reasonably easy implementation with the usage figures, we still have to stick with the hard choice of retiring 3DMark 2001 SE support with the launch of the new service.
Thank you to everyone who took the time to post or get in touch with us. We really do care what our community thinks and as always, further feedback is more than welcome.
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if you guys are scrapping benchmarks that are 5 years old does that mean 06 is next? cut next year in theory?
Heh, why would FM cut the current DX9 benchmark when DX9 is still widely used by games? I can assure you that 3DMark06 remains relevant as long as DX9 remains relevant. Start worrying only when all games are DX10+ and XP is as popular as 98 is today... (= not anytime soon)
Besides, we already discussed the feedback on Friday and the passionate response has been noted and heard; we are considering our options. The new ORB will come, but beyond that everything in our plans is on the table for re-evaluation - expect more on this early next week.
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To everyone: you heard the man! From now on, send all you hardware sharing accusations to Futuremark
As always; any cases of cheating related to FM benchmarks (or reporting any other oddities with ORB) - you can contact us by email: info [at] futuremark.com
While I cannot promise that we can help in investigating every case, we will consider all requests. Naturally cases that involve overclocking contests, hall of fame world records etc. will receive extra consideration. Include as much information and background detail as possible.
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For some reason it wont let me post on that thread. Killing 3DMark 2001 SE, 3DMark03, 3DMark05 may kill Futuremark with all the overclockers.
Yes, you can post but if you are a new poster, your first posts go through manual moderation to weed out spambots... patience.
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FM was able to detect score sharing, not hardware sharing.
No software currently on the market is able to separate individual samples. Intel, AMD and Nvidia have software that can recognise on sample basis (eg: your 980X has different ID than mine), but for security reasons that software does not leave the company.
Not entirely true, but I'll leave it at that to avoid giving cheaters any pointers.
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I'm just the messenger here - I suggest you read the full announcement on FM forums and post your feedback there. It will be read, by the people who make the decisions.
What I posted is the current plan and the announcement of said plan was made well in advance so our community can give their feedback on this.
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We've made an announcement today about some changes that are coming to Futuremark ORB before the launch of the upcoming 3DMark 11. As a short summary, the key points are;
- Old ORB will be gone
- There will be a whole new system for submitting and browsing results, rewritten from scratch
- Support for legacy benchmarks will be retired
Full text can be found here: http://futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136472
Please post any feedback, comments or questions on the Futuremark forum thread or, if you prefer, email it to info [at] futuremark.com
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In case you haven't noticed, 3DMark06 is getting old and is heavily CPU limited with today's hardware, so any card roughly faster than 9800GTX or HD4800 series will get almost no improvement out of a faster GPU.
3DMark Vantage and the upcoming 3DMark 11 are much better tools for benching DX10/DX11 level hardware - with them, your GPU actually matters a lot.
3DMark 11 November 30th
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This announcement was just sent to everyone who preordered:
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It took us a little longer than planned, but 3DMark 11 has now gone gold. Earlier today we announced that 3DMark 11 will be released at 14:00 GMT on Tuesday December 7, 2010.
From that time onwards you will be able to download 3DMark 11 from the Futuremark website and start submitting results to the new online service. You will need the upgrade code from your pre-order confirmation email to activate the Advanced Edition so make sure you have it to hand on Tuesday.
Till then, happy benchmarking!