Marquzz
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So it would be forbidden for an Australian to use water 6 months of the year? And that's without going into much colder counties
I love how you use the word cheater when nobody has in fact cheated just because they think outside the box and push as close to limit of the rules as they can like everyone does in real sports especially F1's
What are you talking about? Why would it be forbidden?
I'm using the word cheater because if we had some rules you would cheat if you broke them.
My point is that there are no rules today so people with chillers are competing against people using tower coolers. That is the issue that must be fixed, otherwise we could just skip leagues alltogether.
I live in a smaller apartment with my family, I have my bench-place in a wardrobe. I don't have time, money nor room to have a big chiller in there. Should I just quit benching since I will not have any change if chillers are allowed in Enthusiast league? It's not about creativity, I've been in the game for over 15 years and used Peltiers, compressors, DICE, LN2 so I know about this. I'm just glad there are a enthusiast league where I can do some casual benching, because I'm in a point in life where putting many hours and money in cooling just isn't an option. I think I'm not alone since this is the most popular league.
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I am of the mindset that water is water. If Joe Blow can get his water to -20, good for him.
When in Rome, do as the Roman's do. It does not take much effort to make your water cold. If you want to be competitive in the air/water class I suggest you figure it out, because there is no way the subs will be regulated.
This is what, the 3rd or 4th thread on this same subject? Waste of time and manpower. Let's move on shall we.
What's the point of keeping leagues at all then?
Btw, water freezes at 0 degrees Celsius so keeping water at -20 is impossible without changing either pressure or adding some other ingredient.
Just state in the rules that it is absolutely forbidden to use cooling medium below 20 degrees. Done. If people choose to cheat after that there's no doubt it's cheating and they will also know that. That's completely different thing from today where there's no rules what so ever.
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but if you do that you limit people experimenting and trying to get a better score which after all is what this is all about. Trying new things to get a better score if we stop people from doing this why bench at all?
you might as well have all in one group and allow bonus points for people that show they are benching with a harder method.. if they dont its standard score no bonus
aka room temp where room temp is in a fair range of temps
sub ambient where there is a slight change
and sub zero when things are really getting closer to dice temps.
i have ideas but sadly no solutions but we have plenty of smart people here..
its a lot harder for people to bench sub ambient where you have to watch out for condensation and probably insulate your board.. maybe thats it .. if you have to use conformal due to temps or insulate the board possibly that could be a cutting off point because if someone is willing to loose a board to bench they deserve to get the extra points.
please remember before flaming that im just throwing out ideas.
I do think that George has a good idea but we need to be sure that there is intended fraud before we ban someone ... not just a witch hunt.
Btw * Who is making the popcorn ?* ( insert popcorn gif here )
Cooling is just one small part of benchning, there isn't lacking other things to fiddle around with. For sub-ambient cooling there are other leagues.
What I suggest is that we set a rule, the water or air that cools the cpu musn't be below 20 degrees C (or 68 F). If that is a strikt rule, I think most poeple will do the right thing. The problem today is that there is no rules, only "ambient" or "no extreme cooling", that is just all about interperation.
As I've said multiple times before, until you find a 100% verifiable way to prove temp being used, there is absolutely nothing you can do to break up leagues by temp. There will always be fraudulent entries, loophole seekers, and cheat masters. There is nothing you can do about it.Well, there are alot of verification that are not 100% but people stick to it anyway. Of course there will always be cheaters, but most people here are honest and will keep to the rules, if we just can decide the rules once and for all. As I mentioned above, the problem is lack of clear rules.
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People just need to stop complaining about ice water and do it themselves because in most cases I'm aware of are just that
oh if someone is smart enough to add antifreeze such as alcohol to ice they shouldn't be punished
Yea, and then only alkohol and then instead of ice, why dont just cool the liquid with compressors....you see what this is heading. No, we can't have ice water in ambient, not even winter cold through a tower cooler should be allowed in my opinion. Ambient is normal room temperature, i.e. around 20 degrees C.
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F-ing amazing scores in 3dmark and wprime! Crazy!
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Well, if you add some sort of mandatory temperature proof, I guess if you "cheat" after that, it's officially cheating, and that should make most people that opportunistically finding loop holes in the rules today stop doing that. Most people are honest, and even honest people are bending the rules, but honest people usually do not brake the rules. The people that are cheating on the purpose of cheating you will never get rid of, but those are few and never missed in competions.
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Missed that you needed screenshot for referens clock, thought that only verification link was necessary. I tried to add a screen just now but was to late?
http://hwbot.org/submission/3175302_
Edit: What, almost everyone has just taken the image from http://valid.x86.fr/ what's the point of the screenshot then??
I really hope my submission isn't removed because of this. Only 7 submission out of 28 have a real screenshot from the system.
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Haven't really thought about it. Guess I have to give it a try.
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Nvm, I could add result, even though e-sport site upload page was totally broken...
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CPU! But not socket. It is an indicator of skill overclocker. But that that we have - just ... the presence of the possibility of having an adapter. ADAPTER, non CPU, as it was in previous rounds. That's why I say - it is not round of processor 479 - it is round adapter 479.
PS XP and XP-M have one core (Barton for example), and here (478)- a completely different processors. About this and speech (478 is a mobile too - for example this - http://hwbot.org/hardware/processors#key=pentium_4_m_18ghz ) but not Dothan!
NO! I can not find the link, but repeatedly stated that if the slot-1 CPU, it means slot-1 CPU, not motherboard slot-1 (and this is right IMHO)
Good idea!
But not necessarily old school, can be special competition.Adapters has been part of computers and overclocking for a long time, overdrives, slockets, 479. It's not something crazy wierd. And as stated previously, there are pure 479 boards out there as well.
All stages requires particular hardware, what's so wierd one "requires" (it doesn't even) an adapter?
As someone else said, an Slot A t-bird is much more rare and expensive than this adapter...
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Who is going to try LGA775 board with LGA775to478 adapter with s478tos479 adapter with s479 CPU?
#Adaptception #479on775
The problem will be to find a motherboard that support the pentium m. But it would be fun if someone got it to work
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The bad as least thing is that the are placed in unequal conditions those who have an adapter and those who have not.
Why forbidden was use the SlotA - socketA. 423-478. Furthermore those processors that have identical cores. And here - absolutely different processors combined. And this it turns out ... weird :-/
Here you go
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This submission have to high clock speed, not by much, but even so:
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Thanks for the info. Had no idea it was such a big differrence in performance between boards.
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Just got my hands on these (F4-4000C19D-8GTZ) and allthough I don't have an OC-board (Z170X-UD3) their performance are really bad.
XMP (4000 19-21-21-41) is impossible, even with 1.8V+
The best I've gotten from these are 3733 14-18-18-28 300 1T, and parhaps it's my board that are limiting the memorys, I dont know.
The strangest things come next, and at the above setting I get worse results than my Corsair 2666 CL16 at 3000 15-15-15. I've also tried the exakt same setting on the G.skill (se images belove)
I've tried XTU, HWBot prime and Geekbench and I've gotten worse result in all.
I've got one explaination and that's that the G.skill are single sided and my Corsair are double. But then everyone should use double sided, right?
I'm confused right now.
Corsair:
G.skill:
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I am not too fond of sandbagging, I am not australian - sad to see this, but next time it might be better to upload results a bit earlier^^
All morning was full, just slipped my mind. Was supposed to do it way earlier....I just...can't find the words...
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Family stuff here just made me forgot....I'm so sad now
:( Cannot believe this happened... working for over a month on this.... -
Oh no, missed the time...... Fuck
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Any chance of extending this round-1 , for the whole weekend ???
It would be nice to have Sunday (a resting day from work) free to play.
If everybody agrees of cource.
You have to get up early, that's all
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Asus Maximus II Formula SOLD!
Intel Core Quad Extreme QX9770 Socket 775 SOLD!
OCZ Reaper HPC 4x2GB PC8500 CL5 and 2x2GB PC6400 CL4 SOLD
Oh, yeah, last but not least, a limited numbered edition Asus Dual 7800GT. Unfortunatly I don't get any picture from this so it's sold as DEFECT and AS IS! The fan spins though. Maybe for the collector or the fixer.
Price: 50 €
Lives in Sweden, can send via postal service or DHL. Prices above does not include shipping costs. Payment via PayPal.
Cooling: What can we do, what do you want?
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No, but he should not compete in the same league as people using normal room temperature to cool there CPU/gpu. I do not consider running tap water normal cooling. Again I state that the problem is lack of separation clarification between the leagues, not people breaking the rules.
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