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    The Poll: Allow E.S. or disallow ?

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted · Edited by Gautam

    I'm with most of your guys complaints but what you're all missing is the fact that instating such a rule won't solve the problem that you guys want solved. It's not even a band-aid fix. You guys all want less manufacturer interference, and for it to be easier for the "average joe" to compete. Banning ESes won't accomplish any of that. What good did that "no ES" rule do in the Gigabyte uguru contest? If you take the GTX480 as an example, the issue isn't retail vs ES. Some people have access to special BIOSes that others don't. What good will banning ES cards do there? None.

     

    Who will banning ESes really hurt? The same "average joes" you guys want to help. Forget about the A0 gulftowns and the C2 clarkdales for the time being. Look at all the ES results on hwbot. Who have these ESes? Were all of them seeded by manufacturers? No, most of them were purchased (illegally) by "regular" guys like yourselves, on ebay or otherwise. And about the A0's, there's plenty of results with them out there that are far from spectacular.

     

    And here's the other thing. Everyone's out for sponsorships these days. When someone has an advantage that others don't, they will use it. If they don't have it, they will bitch about it. That's human nature, and it's being exemplified quite beautifully here. Quite ironic that the thread starter here is the same guy who has a sig full of thanks to his sponsors on xs. (I don't mean this as an attack on you Bill, but it's just too prevalent to not note)

     

    But, it's much easier to act self-righteous chanting ideals about the "little guy" without thinking about what the hell you're posting. You always come out sounding right that way anyways.

     

    If you guys are against overclocking being a playground for marketing teams then say so, but then don't turn around and be hypocrites and submit results using seeded hardware. Using the biggest whiners are the ones that already have some support but are just bitter that they don't have the royal treatment.

     

    Personally, even years ago, when it started with mobo manufacturers seeding a board or two here and there, it made me uncomfortable, because I knew that eventually we'd end up in the very situation we're in now. Then I went along with the flow. Now I quit. I don't know what the answer is, but it sure as hell isn't as simple as banning ES cpus.

    Rev3 Up and Running - Complaints, Ideas, Ramblings, Comments ... but no bugs

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted · Edited by Gautam

    That's fair enough for me and that's what I wanted to hear from you.....a simple "no" and nothing more..... ;):)

     

     

    EDIT: I've found a "bug"..... :D

     

    Ex. When someone plays with SINGLE card and he get's the No1 place and 150points (ex.), and then he plays with DUAL cards (etc), he will get 0points for his other benchies with more cards on the same bench BUT he "cuts off" someone else's points for the DUAL card category....

    So the second bencher will NOT get the MAXIMUM for the DUAL card category BUT the SECOND measurement....NOT FAIR if you ask me..... ;)

    And what of the alternative?

     

    Say that you take #1 in 2 card 01, and Vince takes it in single card 01. Then what? If you decide to go beat him in single card 01, you end up being 1st in both categories, but since you don't want people to get "cut" by that, Vince still ends up being counted as #1 in single gpu, even though you passed him. Then extend that to every bench. Say that in every single bench, you're in 1st for both single and dual in all benches, 03/05/06/AM3/Vantage, and he's in 2nd for all of them. Since you can't "cut" him down though, he still gets counted as #1 in all of them, and you get counted as #1 in all of them. No matter how many times you beat him, he's still #1, and no matter how many times he beats you, you're still #1. How would that make sense?

     

    In the current system, in order to get counted as #1, you really have to be #1, and that's how it should be.

     

    the rev 3 destroy the easy way to earn fast points.

    lol, as if that's a bad thing.

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