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    PCMark05 , keep or remove from hwbot.

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    The proper alternative to the cap is active moderation. The cap was just a lazy alternative. If it was hwbot's idea then I guess it's one more thing we can blame on masbo :P. No different from how there used to be a cap at 40k 01 way back in the day when OPP broke it and needed to get it lifted. These days its actually MUCH easier to break 220 with a legitimate setup than it is to stay under it.

    PCMark05 , keep or remove from hwbot.

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    The 220 limit makes it like a game and adds another layer of complexity as pro said. Why change something that is going to even further invalidate old scores that people have sweated over for hours? We don't need that...

     

    Not to mention it makes it even more inaccessible to people that don't fancy dropping a bomb on raid and a-cards.

    I don't like it because its arbitrary and artificial in principle. FM put that there because many years ago (2006 or 2007 probably) it was practically impossible to cross 220mb/sec without the use of software. Things are very different nowadays. It was just a quick and dirty fix to eliminate ram disks, but it makes little sense today. The goal is to prevent the usage of ram disks, not to arbitrarily limit the bench. The 220 cap was just a poor and sloppy way of doing so that's stuck just because it's the way it is. Yes removing it will make current scores relatively weak, but since we're trying to iron out a new set of rules, that's pretty much inevitable.

    PCMark05 , keep or remove from hwbot.

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    when you move your mouse on trasparent windows test you have a higher score this is is not a cheat.(higher aero refresh rate)

    change ie 9 settings and force alternative software rendering(use cpu instead of gpu for acceleration)is not a cheat

    check out all stripe sizes ,disc sizes,formmating system and allocation size+intel rst driver is not a cheat

    play with ati ccc settings and drivers is not cheating

    ok powertoys i dont think is good to use it

     

    Powertoy is just a GUI for changing settings in the registry. I don't know why everyone has an issue with this either.

    PCMark05 , keep or remove from hwbot.

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    I don't agree with most of you at all, but it seems like the majority? has spoken. Almost every benchmark out there today is just about having the best CPU and best GPU. You can bin your way through having poor tweaks and bad OS'es. PCMark takes some thinking and a lot of investigation to run properly. I don't even understand why the PowerToy or switching browsers was banned. What I see with every PCMark discussion is, certain people find tweaks, and the people that don't know what they are get mad and brand them as cheats. The only thing that I'm strongly opposed to with regards to PCMark (besides speedhacks and mipmap) is the usage of software ram drives.

     

    Why allow the other stuff and not the software ram drives? The reason is simple but for some reason very hard for people to comprehend nevertheless. This I know from PCMark discussions I've seen and participated in in the past. I will try to spell it out nevertheless.

     

    A software ram drive is not indicative of the actual performance of the system.

     

    Changing the browser, enabling the video codec to use more threads, all that might be manipulating the benchmark, but whether you guys like it or not, it is REAL performance. If Chrome is a faster browser than IE, then it's a faster browser than IE, period. If you enable the usage of more threads, you get more REAL performance.

     

    The distinction with the software ram drives is that it's not accurately measuring the performance of the storage subsystem. You get results that are basically fluff and that you can practically arbitrarily manipulate, making it akin to speedhacking.

     

    (Ignoring the off chance that you're actually using a ram drive as your actual boot drive and reinstalling the OS every time the system boots...)

     

    The other tweaks still result in accurate measurements of the system at hand, just that the system itself has been manipulated in a way that is undesirable to much of the PCMark community. These rules are literally just in place because people got mad about certain things and decided to brand them as "cheats".

     

    My actual preference is to remove pretty much all regulations besides prohibiting software ram drives, but since this seems like a topic that the community will never come to a consensus on, removing the benchmark might be the best way to proceed.

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